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@xj9 @grainloom

These are different issues, though.

Technically speaking, GNU is mostly crap (with some very interesting exceptions, IMHO).

And sure: diversity is a strategic value even on technological stuffs.

Yet GNU GPL is under the copyright of FSF. And without RMS, it will be turned inside out in the next release.

Remember my words, my friends: now that is out of , will become more and more friendly.

It's time to move from + to GPLv3-only. Or even a completely different .

@hhardy01

If you think this is a good question to ask, send it to rms@gnu.org

But again, we are mixing different issues.

Even if RMS was the worst sex criminal in the world, people around him covered him for years enabling his crimes against several victims.

And these people are now censoring people who defend him?

Don't be naive: this is all a power game internal to and those who controlled the lynching crowd are now going to control FSF.

You'll see that FSF people will start to talk of , than then finally just .

All will be clean and nice and friendly.

Including v4.

"Witches" were not lynched for their race, @hhardy01

As I said before, the main issue with is that he doesn't belong to any of the minorities that fill the remorse of people.

He isn't a person of colour...
He isn't a woman...
He isn't gay... and so on.

Lynching is an act done by a mob that is independent by the reasons they use to justify themselves.

And obviously we are not talking about a physical lynching.

Yet it WAS lynching.
And it WAS for what he wrote.

A plain violation of his human rights (apparently supported by ) by a crowd of cowards that will never admit to themselves that they have been manipulated by the channels they use to communicate.

For more on this, please refer to qoto.org/web/statuses/10297412

@hhardy01

You look confused.

Are you stating that we should count people contributions by lines of code?

Actually that's a very / thing to do: developers are just well educated slaves that should do what managers cannot do by themselves (without ever wondering WHY managers cannot manage to learn programming by themselves, actually).

If so, why was lynched for what he WROTE?

OTOT, if the and of have are relevant, like it or not, has been fundamental to DEFINE Free Software in the last 40 years.

@hhardy01

That was not a movement.
That's mainly academy.

Surely, there were before . And surely there will be hackers after him.
That's quite obvious, and adds nothing to the discussion.

But before GNU GPL, was not a movement with an ethics and an identity.

Usually I argue that focused on the wrong core value: among hackers, is ancillary to , which is the core value of our ethics.

But arguing that RMS was irrelevant to Free Software growth and successes is ridiculous.

Also, focusing on the content of the censored mail is totally missing the point.

The mail was NOT in conflict with Kind Communications Guidelines or any other Code of Conduct.

Thus it was for its content. From the .
Software Foundation.

Censoring mails to frame the narrative of the whole movement.

@hhardy01

The fact is, before 1983 was NOT a movement.

It was just the usual way to distribute code that was instrumental to turn very expensive machines from weird furnitures to useful computers.

Back then software was as in beer because the actual product was the hardware.

realized that software is and it must be kept free.

@kaniini

I was on the camp.

Used for 5 years at school. I used to love it, actually.

The world DDoS me right now.

Too many interesting things for a Monday's morning...

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First known proof that it's possible to multiply two integer numbers in nlogn at hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-0

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First known proof that it's possible to multiply two integer numbers in nlogn at hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-0

News from @freepost

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acme + sqlite is already shaping up to be a much better SQL experience than that huge mess of Java that is Oracle's SQL Developer

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@ajroach42 @lesbianhacker @alcinnz I wasn't very serious, but don't mistake my disagreement for incomprehension. We have email and file transfers; have had since the UUCP and FIDO days; and those things are not broken and are the core applications. I don't think needing new application areas is really the top issue for non-realtime networks. It is true that "social networking" doesn't seem well served by them but I think we might do better to just not have that, than to try hard to build it.

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@ajroach42 @alcinnz @lesbianhacker Email is *the* core application of UUCP, and client software always used to support UUCP-style email addresses just fine. Maybe there are some new email clients that don't, but going back to the older clients wouldn't require all that much new software.

The Web, yes, is something we can't do without realtime networking. But it's basically dead at this point anyway as browsers have changed from reading documents to executing code.

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@mattskala @ajroach42 @lesbianhacker And, by the way, I do like to advocate for transitioning back to a Web without clientside scripting.

@downey

If you want to retreat I'm fine with it. 😉

But I don't see how exactly would have betrayed public trust.

Surely, many want to remove him since years because he is way harder to manipulate through social networks than a lynching mob. I guess that many at are high fiveing right now.

But if I ask you "what did he do exactly?" and you retreat instead of answering the question, you show pretty well how thin are his allegations.

Did Stallman tried to spread proprietary software? Not to my knowledge!

So how exactly did he betrayed ?

He resisted to 's that want to manage high skilled volunteers like if they were employed at an based corporation!

THIS IS A MERIT!
You are failing to see (or pretending to) that and Free Software are international movements and US corps have no right to impose their workplace hypocrisy.

So what?
This isn't a rethorical question.
Can you answer with precise allegations that are not crimes?

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