Shamar @Shamar@social.cleverlibre.org

@clacke

As a weirdly weird person, I respect everybody, weird and non-weird, from all over the world.

BUT as far as I can see, #US non-weird people are (being manipulated so that they are) actively working to further marginalize weirdos.

The fact is that living and working with weird people is going to be weird by definition.

People can accept this and adapt to such weirdness or refuse this and expel us.

For a few decades #FreeSoftware has been a sort of "safe place" for weird people. Even because of people like #RMS (which I consider moderately weird, actually 😉).

For sure, some exploited such safety to misbehave, but these were not #hackers, but #crackers posing as such (for proper definitions of these terms look at http://www.tesio.it/documents/vademecum.txt )

And now that Free Software is fundamental to #business and has a huge economical value, giving access to actual #Power, the #OpenSource lip service isn't enough anymore and some urge to redefine free software as something that is... less weird (in US #corporate perspective, obviously, as many US people can't think about different perspectives).

I don't think this is going to improve the life for non-weird people (as most of them are basically oppressed people that internalized the oppressors' values themselves and thus heartily and unconsciously support the oppression system).

But it will increase #conformism, further marginalizing us.

@dthompson

VC: Think big!

H: So, I have this protocol and this distributed operating system designed to replace primitive systems (#Windows, #Linux, #MacOS, #iOS, #Android...) and the #Web. But it's just the first step: the actual goal is to allow all people to program and debug their own software as they can read and write...

VC: Fine, fine, but what's the #BusinessModel?

H: 🤦‍♂️

@paolo

> Think big...

How much? 😉

@ekaitz_zarraga

I get it.

It's fine if you are going to contribute the JSON writer to Chibi, but you should talk about this with the author.

There are several trade offs, if you think about it.

For example reading JSON is much more frequent than writing it, so performances matter more.

Also there are several ways to design the API of a JSON writer, while there is only one way to read it.

@phoe

Yeah!

Even #Assembly is very strongly typed! 🤣
(seriously! 😉)

Anyway, I meant it lacks user defined data types and static type checking.

While I get how this would probably break homoiconicity, I feel coding without type checking... dangerous.

BUT, I have to say that when I was a young #Emacs user I didn't feel such issue.

@ekaitz_zarraga

@dthompson

Mind to define "positive change"?

For example I would consider very positive if #GNU becomes less and less welcoming to #US corporate #hypocrisy.

Actually we should look for the #weirdest people to join, as #RMS is not #weird enough to me.

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BTW, are you going to block/mute me too?
Beware: I'm not from the #US?
I dare to be #Italian!

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Sorry for the #sarcasm, but I've found this https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ as a political abuse against my people.

You are marginalizing #hackers because they are weird.

You joint a mob lynching #RMS for what he said, forgetting that #software is a form of human expression, so #FreeSoftware IS #FreeSpeech.

@ekaitz_zarraga

Well, while I don't want to discourage ANY sort of experimentation, remember the task at hand is to reduce the #Jehanne build complexity by getting rid of #GoLang.

Why?

My hope is to lessen the cost of going self hosted with Jehanne, as #Chibi is way simpler to port than GoLang.

If you write in standard (aka POSIX) C, we will have to port it to Jehanne separately (and to build the Chibi to link it even on Linux)

Maybe a #Scheme JSON writer would run unmodified on all systems.

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Having said that... HAVE FUN! 😉

@ekaitz_zarraga

👴 <-- me, nodding...

@ekaitz_zarraga

NOTE: "scaring" does NOT mean "bad". 😉

@ekaitz_zarraga

#Lisp is a #weird language.
(which is a very good thing! 🤣)

`displayed` is scaring.

There is something... "dangerous" in its lack of typing.
Or maybe I'm getting too old? 👴

BTW, would you mind to list the dependencies installation instructions in a README.txt under src_chibi?

@ekaitz_zarraga

Sure... but I was amused to note how readable it is.

Ehm... @ekaitz_zarraga...

How can I say this properly?

You are cool! 😉

So far this
https://github.com/JehanneOS/devtools/blob/b773016f92d370239b5b2b67bf2cceb9bdfc4e72/src_chibi/ksyscalls.scm
is much more readable than this https://github.com/JehanneOS/devtools/blob/b773016f92d370239b5b2b67bf2cceb9bdfc4e72/src/jehanne/cmd/ksyscalls/ksyscalls.go

Very nice work.

@OCRbot

@Maitre_Eolas

I think this deserve an #English translation.

@mwlucas

Very interesting.

I need to think about this.

Meta: I really think you should write something about this.

@ekaitz_zarraga

Nothing! Really!

This time it's not my fault! 🤣