@anne_kreft @johank76 @TEG @SteveCooke @grimmiges @Xna_NaJu @jocelyn_etienne @JorgeStolfi @academicchatter I I always tell prospective Ph.D. students to present the "I want to be a faculty just like you" narrative regardless of their actual goal. In private and safe spaces you can say otherwise, because you are so right.
So I found a good productive use for ChatGPT and my instruction relating to science teaching yesterday.
If the focal phenomenon I am asking students to explore can be effectively answered by ChatGPT, then the phenomenon is not worthy of my students. Gogo better and more complex phenomena.
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@rspfau @grimmiges @allanmccoy @JorgeStolfi @david_colquhoun @SteveCooke @freyablekman @SerhatTutkal @anne_kreft @jocelyn_etienne @academicchatter I think this is more widespread, and highlights the importance of prospective students know the difference between fully funded and self funded programs. I see this a lot with "professional" doctorates like ED.D. the quality of these programs tends to be much lower from a research perspective and the field recognizes that. They do provide more flexibility and often can work full time while completing the program. Unfortunately students don't know this sometimes and end with $250,000+ in student loans and limited prospects.
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A nice perspective is expressed here: https://thesiswhisperer.com/2020/05/13/stop-letting-the-ghosts-of-old-academia-haunt-you/ (I translated into spanish).
PhD programms should increase the amount of transferible skills. Not just teaching how to be an academic.
If they do so, the overall contributions of PhD programms to society would increase exponentially
@ZingerLearns @ProfDCotton @edutooters Yes, I get teacher fatigue with the flavor of the month PD. I think we need more than bandaids to keep going with the present system.
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France isn't as good, but 3 years after defence 93% #PhD are in employment, with 66% on a stable job. Median wages are not huge, €2150 (sociology) to 2700 (maths) depending on the field, but 95% are on mid/upper executive jobs. 47% are in academia, 19% in private-sector research-related jobs, 15% are in public sector outside academia (used to be mostly school teaching, but a growing number of experts I believe - no figures on this).
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Yes for sure, evaluation and short term improvement policies perpetuate a system where initiatives are constantly changing, reminding me of the "flavor of the month" problem and one of the reasons teachers become resistant to change (because there is not persistent long lasting efforts that can actually produce change).
Most successful initiatives I have seen take 3-5 years of persistent effort. This is one of the reasons I have moved away from participating in or providing short term PD.
@ZingerLearns @ProfDCotton @edutooters Yes! It should be about putting learning at the center. And by learning, I don't mean the ability to memorize things, though there's a place for that of course (like multiplication tables). Isn't part of the problem the prevalence of standardized testing, which skews towards measuring memorizables?
@jocelyn_etienne @grimmiges @allanmccoy @JorgeStolfi @david_colquhoun @SteveCooke @freyablekman @SerhatTutkal @anne_kreft @academicchatter I was employed as a PhD candidate at a 🇸🇪 uni, and I wouldn't have done it any other way. In 🇸🇪 , PhD candidates are a separate employment category. The employment equals 5 years. If the money runs out, you need to finance it yourself. PhD employment provides stability which shortens the time spent in a PhD program and increases the quality of the research.
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This is a US perspective, but I think it's important to make the point of that the unemployment rate for Ph.D. holder is less than 2% fairly consistently.
I think the problem is that faculty in Ph.D. programs over focus on tenure track positions as the "best" or "worthy" pathway, when less than 10% of graduates of even some of the best programs end there.
In fairness for students there should be more transparency and support for other careers, and I don't mean just the growing world of post-doc researchers trying to get academic jobs.
In my field, education, I have seen graduates work for a very wide range of employers including tech, think thanks, school districts, museums, and many non-TT jobs at universities like me.
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I probably should have shared this earlier. Virtually all Research 1 US universities stipend Ph.D. students for their TAing or research assistantship (max 20hrs/week)
The UC system, the largest public university system in the US and I think the world is unionized, as are most others.
UC grad students just negotiated a new contract that is equivalent to a $95,000/year full time salary (they will get $34,000 for 50% 9 months employment, or about $45,000 for 12 months, full tuition remission, health benefits, child care, and leave.
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Nope, it was only accidently or purposely diverted by obscure analogies to astronauts and glass blowers.
The orig. question was whether PhD candidates should have the same rights (e.g. to unionise and strike) and soc. benef. as any other employee.
Turning into a discussion whether they should be paid for working on "their" thesis. E.g. Jorge/Brazil vs Sweden.
@birv2 @ProfDCotton @edutooters I appreciate this point and hope that we see more of
1) how can we do better and improve
2) how can we help students learn
as pervasive mindsets and approaches, but I certainly see more of the culture you share than this.
@ProfDCotton @edutooters The two major barriers to any substantive change:
1. We've always done it this way.
2. We've never done that before.
I don't really see a way to jerry rig the educational system, unfortunately. However, AI just might give us the impetus needed to get all parties' attention. Hopefully, this will be a "sputnik moment".
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I do. Because certain (very) old men brought it up at the time I made my Ph.D. "In my days, it was an honour to be allowed to make a Ph.D., we would never have asked to be also paid for it." said Herr von und zu something.
But I was spoiled, my supervisor was old, too, but a (Hanseatic) woman. "A PhD requires 100%+", she said, "one cannot afford to work (sic!) a 2nd (sic!sic!) job."
@grimmiges @SteveCooke @Xna_NaJu @jocelyn_etienne @JorgeStolfi @academicchatter All of this! Plus, in our department, PhD students were almost as productive as many more senior scholars and more productive than some, in terms of publications, i.e. in terms of "producing" something and contribution to the advancement of knowledge. I can't wrap my head around people saying that's not a job tbh
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And I have to add: If we only would pay for actual "labour that produces", humanities would not be the first thing that springs to my mind that could be scrapped.
Also: a PhD thesis is literally a "product". Sometimes quite a big one (espec. in humanities). I don't know about the UK but in Germany and Sweden, it must also must be made accessible to anyone, hence, is a public product.
yet another piece in leading #highered publication doing "subtle" ad hominems of tech critics, who are not smart or mature enough to have reasonable concerns because MOAR TECH GOOD
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That's often the same on this side of the Great Pond, too. Although we're state-funded for the large part.
In fact, when Germany changed from our old (socialdemocratic) university system to the Anglosaxon bachelor-master, students were not seen anymore as future academics, researchers or scientists but as cattle. The more you process, the better.
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