Meredith Matthews @braindouche@social.cleverlibre.org
Joined Nov 2022
@betsythemuffin
I do not recommend 20%, that's the bad place where you start getting asked to bring the birthday cakes.
And I wonder what makes the difference between our experiences as the only one? That seems like a deeper and more personal conversation than might be strictly appropriate on mastodon.
@slightlyoff
You're kidding. Really?
@betsythemuffin @jalcine @whalecoiner
@betsythemuffin
Yeah, but that's not just in tech, that's basically all the jobs. But tech is worse. But also weirdly consistently inconsistent? Have you experienced this? If I'm the only woman on the team, it's fine. If the team is half not-white-men, it's fine. If the not's make up, like, 15-25% or so, it's a complete trash fire.
@slightlyoff
Nah, go for it. "The rest of us" have been chewing on this bone since the 90's. Assemble some beta readers and have at, or platform some voices you think need hearing and take a few pages from Scott Hanselman. Maybe they'll listen to you. Can't hurt.
@betsythemuffin @jalcine @whalecoiner
Meredith Matthews
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@betsythemuffin @braindouche @jalcine I'm angry about it because I know what the JS-sligners got paid, for worse results, after they convinced these companies to "manage out" people who actually knew how browsers worked.
@slightlyoff
When I started my web development career 8 million years ago in the days before jQuery, my first big superhero consultant move was to swing in and delete all your JavaScript, because it didn't do anything useful and was ALWAYS BROKEN, and I made a lot of money doing this. Ironically, somehow, deleting your JavaScript is still how I make myself look good to this day.
@betsythemuffin @jalcine
Meredith Matthews
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@slightlyoff @jalcine @braindouche
Continue to feel a lot of this was due to (mostly men) who wanted to distance themselves from the girly stench of HTML and CSS via "real" programming.
I suppose they at least succeeded in inflating FE salaries as a result. Arguably a win.
The bizarre 2-4 year period where that crowd absolutely obsessed over purity and monads in their JS code only underlines my thinks there... FP is as "hardcore" as it gets to a certain personality type.
Meredith Matthews
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@slightlyoff @jalcine @braindouche @whalecoiner
As a lady-shaped person who entered the industry via frontend pre-Bootstrap...... I can think of exactly one and a half people I know who fit those demographic criteria and who aren't ragefully perma-bitter about the dynamic. The one and a half exceptions are still rageful but like the JS community.
Perhaps not a terribly visible demographic to... a certain kind of developer. But one that had similar traumatic experiences as that type rose.
@betsythemuffin
Absolutely. Those of us who were there know damn right well that the pipeline for hiring women devs has always been through learning html/css/js, vsb and fsking PHP as part of a non-technical job. 30-something admins and office managers! What do we know, right?
@slightlyoff @jalcine @whalecoiner
@betsythemuffin
To an extent, yes absolutely, but also I personally think that prejudice is secondary to the sheer scale of the recruitment problem that web 2.0 presented. That recruitment problem was solved, by and large, by making front end development work a lot more like back end development, specifically java. Which is a wildly simplified way to describe it, but that's what happened.
@slightlyoff @jalcine
@slightlyoff
Good point. You did not get to see how the react sausage was made.
@jalcine
@slightlyoff
The result, after ten years, is we are stuck idolizing workflows that cannot distinguish between fundamental and incidental complexity, that completely misunderstand the platform they run on, that struggle to reinvent bad wheels better, and prioritize the developer over *everything*. The modern web experience was invented with no adults in the room.
@jalcine
@slightlyoff
It may have been an accidental side effect of valley priorities, but all of front end has been dragged backwards away from systematic maturity by their absolute love affair with jr developer clever codemonkey enthusiasm
@jalcine
RT @PheasantPlucka
@AlanBaxter I just saw him called Phony Stark and I can’t think of anything more appropriate.
@slightlyoff
Out of curiosity, what was your take on AngularJS?
@jalcine
@slightlyoff
That's another thing, that class of managers are the tech bros who staffed their zillion-dollar companies with teams of engineers no older than 27 who worked 36 hours a day. The systematic exploitation of recent college grads in silicon valley has a hell of a lot to do with this.
@jalcine
@slightlyoff
For a long time I thought react was a fad of the same kind as Ruby on Rails was, kinda goofy and monomaniacal but ultimately fine. I changed my mind a few years ago, I think it's much more akin to cryptocurrency, reinventing a working system badly to solve problems we don't actually have.
@jalcine
@jalcine
Not lost. Destroyed intentionally.
@slightlyoff
@slightlyoff
I'll tell you why not. A lost decade makes us victims of circumstance, while a financial bubble is driven by the malignant, ingorant, greedy and destructive forces of utterly mediocre men convinced of their own correctness. Good sense was driven away aggressively by a lot of goddamn money.
@slightlyoff
When you put it that way it makes me wonder if we shouldn't be thinking about it less like a lost decade and more like a financial bubble.
Joined Nov 2022
