🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@kravietz

Ya know I never saw this reply of yours.. sorry I seem to have missed two replies from you and havent responded till a day or two later.. my fault, i was super busy the last few days and missed some stuff.

@2ck

@arteteco Pretty much yes.. basically how you have mentally ear marked the money you dont have yet whether it be mentally earmarked as a means to create some new company or project, or on indulgences.. basically as you say investment vs personal spending.

@arteteco the difference between a rich person and a poor person is that a rich person spends most of their time trying to think of ways they could spend/invest money they don't have yet, a poor person thinks up ways they will spend money they don't yet have :)

Though I think this applies a bit farther above the poverty line than you are dealing with too. Obviously you gotta cover the basic needs first. but someone told me that once and it stuck with me.. how you spend (in your head) the money you dont have yet says everything about your financial future.

@khird Well the intention here isnt to replace hashtags.

Also keep if you want something that is the best of both hashtags and groups you can just hashtag all posts in a group with a hashtag for that group (in fact i can bake this in as an option where only posts with a certain hashtag get reboosted). This would mean since the group is just an account that reboosts when tagged that if the group server goes down all the original messages still exist in the fediverse and could still be found by their hash tag. so you would get the best of both.

I go into a little detail about how the new managed groups at qoto ( https://groups.qoto.org ) works. Might be worth a look for anyone interested.

#fediverse #mastoadmin #mastodon

@alex

Sorry I went to bed right before you sent this reply.

NO it isnt there yet, it will have its own repo and right now the repo only exists locally and privately since I need to add some licensing stuff and make sure all the contributors are recognized. With that said i will be making the server public very shortly (today) since I need to do that now that the server is live.

I will be posting the link to the repo when its up so just follow my timeline and I'll have it for you shortly. Its effectively a modified version of v3.2.1 of QOTO with significant edits to make it work as a group server, the following are the notable edits:

* All users have actor_type group instead of person/service/application

* Users can not follow other users at all and as such the home timeline is removed

* Accounts behave as per the standard approach to groups, that is, when someone posts a message and tags the group then the group will automatically reboost that post.

The above points are the part that are no different than guppy, the following aspects are where it differs.

* Unlike with guppy a group isnt automatically created the first time someone tags it. Groups are only created if someone explicitly creates it by registering on the server.

* Group owners when logged into the group have all the usual moderation tools an individual account would have that has the following consequences:

* A group can be made follow only, in which case it will be a private group and the owner must approve requests to join the group

* a group can silence or suspend servers and people, this allows a public/open group to moderate bad actors (spammers for example). It also allows the owner to let people into a private group but not necessarily allow them to post (with a silence)

@lain

@ravenclaw Well less so than unmanaged ones or even hashtags I'd imagine. But spam is always an issue and partly why we rely on itner-server suspensions or silencing to mitigate it.

The spam issue is the very reason we need managed groups as opposed to what we have now (open unmanaged groups).

@khird
As to the advantage of a group over a hash tag.. 1) thr owner of the group moderates who can post to the group 2) you can only see hashtags from sources you federate with. Youll never see a post with a hashtag made by a lone server with no followers for example

@khird
Well more than just that. You would t even get replies to your post as notifications since the thread was recreated, for example.

Best solution might be to use a modified version of local-only posting whereby the original message is o
Public but only initially federates to the group

@alex

It is ActivityPub based implementation stilland works similar to guppy leveraging the ActivityPub actor_type to do what it does... It just isnt forked from guppe and adds group management on top of what guppe provides.

It is qoto fork though, and thus ultimately a mastodon fork.

@lain

@alex

Depends what you mean by that question.. But no, it is not Guppe nor based off Guppe source code. It provides managed groups, guppe only provides unmanaged groups.

@lain

@khird Nothing would prevent it per-se.. But there are a few concerns.. one would be a bad acting server that might impersonate people. The other issue is that it means you loose control over your post so redrafts or deleting cant be done anymore.

More importantly it would break the standard though and servers that already have some sense of groups and how they work wouldnt work with the new approach.

# Managed Groups

Should be launched on QOTO tomorrow! but the dev server with a test group is up now!

We will be opening up the Groups Server, most likely, tomorrow. I just need to get email confirmations working (not sure why they arent)...

In the meantime I created a single group for testing purposes and have the server running just to see if its stable overnight and so I can continue working on it. I will let everyone know when its open for registration so you can create your own managed group on the fediverse.

If you'd like to try out the first group, which is intended for general discussion about the group server, QOTO, or really anything really, then just post an original message and tag @QOTO and it should post to the QOTO group.

Keep in mind while QOTO users have the native group expiernce and the groups will appear to work as just a shared space where people can post publicly, users on other servers will not have the integrated expiernce, however it will still be usable and works rather well. The threads in a group will just show up as boosts instead, but functionally its the same so no big deal.

Anyway feedback welcome, play around with the QOTO group while I get some sleep and tomorrow keep your eyes out for the announcement of open-registration so you can create your own moderated group on fediverse.

#fediverse #mastoadmin #QOTO #guppe #Groups

@khird In theory that sounds great, but in practice that isnt possible given how the ActivityPub and mastodon work..

If you send something as a direct message only the people you tag can see it. A group server works by a mechanism that is effectively a reboost of your original post, it just doesnt show as a boost because the client recognizes it was done by a group server and as such displays it differently, but behind the scenes it is still a boost.

As such you cant boost a direct message and even if you did it wouldnt matter because no one could see the boosted message other than the people you originally tag. Sosince a direct message has a permission of 1 (the person you tag) there is no way the group can share that with others.

@khird also, circles would work in theory, but how did you even add QOTO to a circle at all? My guess is you didnt really add him to the circle (As you shouldnt be able to)

@khird Ok great the third message worked at least.

@khird well lets worry about seeing if its working first, then we can start tweaking

@QOTO another test, please ignore.

@khird Have you tried it as unlisted?