🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

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@TradeMinister

You clearly have no clue what the technical definition of sub-species is then, which is about what I'd expect from you to be honest.

@amerika @arteteco @manarock

@amerika

No I'm not assuming, I draw that conclusion from evidence. If it were not influenced by ones environment (culture) then the results from such a test would remain consistent even after one attains new knowledge or cultural influenced.

Since this is not at all the case and we have countless examples showing the IQ results from these test change as the conditions of a persons life change and their exposure to ideas change, then it is trivial to conclude (based on evidence, not an assumption) that these tests are not measuring an intrinsic immutable quality.

@TradeMinister @arteteco @bonifartius @manarock

@bonifartius

This perspective is easily demonstrated by the fact that there are some sorts of tests you could give tribal africans who would significantly beat out non-africans every time. Obviously that no more proves africans are superior either, just shows that each group is going to be better suited to the types of tests that are suited to their culture.

@amerika @TradeMinister @arteteco @manarock

@amerika

How do you figure? Presuming the original test was not on point and for whatever reason put one group of people at a disadvantage to another, why would you expect that would be proven out by inconsistency?

If the disadvantaged group was at 20% disadvantage they would consistently score 20% lower than their actual score. Consistency would be preserved whether the test was on point or not.

@TradeMinister @arteteco @bonifartius @manarock

@amerika

I am well aware of it. In fact it was ont he back of my mind when i was talking about how scientists have tried to design culturally neutral IQ tests.. They were a good first attempt but ultimately had some flaws and since then there have been many iterations and improvements on the idea.

@TradeMinister @arteteco @bonifartius @manarock

@bonifartius

Yes in fact that is exactly the issue they try to address with more modern approaches to this problem.

Early on we found african tribes did very poorly on ordinary IQ tests intended for europeaners.. but it was obvious why, a typical IQ test asks questions and references ideas taht they have never been exposed to and that are culturally significant.

Similarly an IQ well suited to a specific tribe would be nonsense to someone who is in europe. I mean hell they cant even speak the same language.

@arteteco @manarock @amerika @TradeMinister

@amerika

Cant publish evidence about something that has no evidence to support it.

As for how common the opinion is, thats not really all that relevant when there is no evidence to back it up.

@TradeMinister @arteteco @manarock

@amerika

He never said you cant talk about africans as a group, in some respects you can.. but as he pointed out talking about africans as a group is such a huge biodiverse group that it would be like asians, indians, russians, and europeans as all one group and making generalizations about them. Sure you can get away with that some of the time, but with a group that diverse more often than not it will be far too general to be useful.

@TradeMinister @arteteco @manarock

@amerika

while your certainly welcome to hold any personal opinions you want, regardless of if it has reasonable evidence to back up the claim or not, simply saying you disagree and stating what you beleive isnt really much of an argument for what the established evidence says.. you'd have to actually provide some evidence or argument to make a position like that useful to others for consideration.

@TradeMinister @arteteco @manarock

@amerika

While that certainly hints to acknowledgment of the genetic diversity of the people of Africa, in reality while race itself is a valid scientific concept it is not a discrete notion that is countable. There isnt a specific number of races nor can one person be said to be of a different race than any other. It is a spectrum and from a scientific perspective the best we can really say is, on a sliding scale, how similar are two people in terms of their genetic origin.

With that said, my comment goes a bit off topic and its not all that relevant to the main convo.

@TradeMinister @arteteco @manarock

@hansw It would be the more intuitive approach for sure. but it was also a bit of extra work and I wanted to get a basic first version out and working and debugged before I started making things too fancy. But yea I agree that approach makes sense.

@hansw Ahhhh ok, I misunderstood. so you arent having any trouble using circles per se, just feel by using ajax rather than needing to hit enter it would give a nicer user expiernce?

@hansw did you hit enter after you typed in my name or did you assume that it would auto search as you type? You have to hit enter to engage the search.

@hansw It should search your contacts, though perhaps you found a bug. Is it possible your trying to add someone who doesnt follow you?

@arteteco

Yea, you could literally fit the following countries into Africa and **still** have space left over.

* China
* USA
* India
* Mexico
* Peru
* France
* Spain
* Papua New Guinea
* Sweden
* Japan
* Germany
* Norway
* Italy
* New Zealand
* United Kingdom (yes all of it, ireland, england, wales, the whole lot)
* Nepal
* Bangledesh
* Greece

@manarock @amerika @TradeMinister

@raucao

Totally agree. I was just picking the most obvious disparity that would be harder to deny since it is obvious the moment you see the two side by side it is clear they are from very different gene pools.

@arteteco

@arteteco

Well said, agreed. Even from a non genetic standpoint anyone who has ever though "African" was some sort of singular race and culture is clearly ignorant of the reality.

Tunesians for example clearly have very different physical, cultural, and genetic qualities than someone from Nigeria. They dont even look similar, let alone what else.

@manarock @amerika @TradeMinister