🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@matrix

If anything I'd say this data supports my assertion and debunks your own...

The key to seeing why is realizing that the survey on the left does **not** represent the prevalence of harassment of the two groups (which based on your conclusion I suspect you took it as). Notice the wording of the survey to see why

> Adults who say they have experienced each type of harassment...

The left hand chart therefore is not showing us how often each group actually gets harassed but rather how often each group **perceives** harassment against them. for example if men were harassed as equally as women but had a much stronger sense of wanting validation, then they would rank higher (as they do) on the left hand chart since they would be more sensitive to the dislike from others (typically how harassment manifests) and thus would indicate more often they have been harassed even if they get harassed no more often than women who might happen to have a higher threshold.

So in other words the left chart shows us that men feel as if a particular interaction is harassment more often than women. the chart on the right however shows the other part of what I said, that men have a much stronger desire to put on a show for others to make it seem like they are less effected.. the second part basically just asks "is it a big deal that you get harassed" and men are more likely to say no. This shows they have a much stronger desire to play it off as if they are uneffected.

Combine these two charts and it would paint a picture where one reasonable interpretation is as I said, men have as strong (or apparently stronger) desire to be validated, and as such are more sensitive to signals that suggested they are not validated (like harassment), and an even stronger desire to hide that desire for validation by playing it off as is they were unaffected by it.

I mean afterall, if you dont consider harassment a big deal, and if that were true, then those same men should see something as not being harassment when others see it as harassment... so its the disparity there that is so telling.

@likho

@valleyforge I wouldnt go quite that far, but to some extent I agree. You can have limited trust in secondary sources if they have a good reputation in the past of being bipartisan.

The issue is most people arent citing sources with the intention of uncovering truth. People almost always cite sources with the intention of selling a particular agenda. do you think if this same person saw an article come across her feed with the actual facts in it and praising, rather than blaming, trump they would have shared it? Of course not. The mentality here was 1) I hate trump and am pro biden 2) I will share things that reinforce #1 and ignore things that dont.

At no point do I think the person who made the post actually cared if it was true or not, it bashed trump, and was pro dems, that's all they needed. It was ammo for that agenda. They never went "let me go do a quick google search to see if I can share the unbiased facts, even if it makes the republicans look good".. of course not, never, that would in fact be unthinkable. I can almost guarantee you people like this, if you search their feed, will always present evidence in an intentionally one sided manner, that is the goal, it is by design not an accident.

@rozenglass

Fair, I dont really know the individuals you speak and it could very well have been just shitty luck and circumstances too. But my point is that it is fairly typical for people who are self made millionaires to have a hard time keeping and perpetuating their wealth unless they did a lot of study about money management before hand.

@cy @arteteco

I have to say, the last 4+ years the democrats have turned that propaganda game up to 11.. I must admit if propaganda works on anyone its going to be americans right now.

@Theverytechnologypony that is some impressive typo work you got going there. :)

@Theverytechnologypony Yea, I guess what im saying is the difference between good favortism and bad lies in the "why"

@matrix

Many would argue it is a counter productive behavior, others would argue that such a mask often does fail as you suggest. Neither of which seem to be arguments that they arent true/valid however. There is no shortage of counterproductive behaviors that are hard for people to hide.

@likho

@Theverytechnologypony There is no shortage of human flaws, and yes that is one of them though a bit more nuanced... I mean favoritism, the act of favoring a person or idea, isnt always a bad thing. Depends on the why and how, what do you favor, why do you favor it? If I favor using my blinker over not using it, that would be a good sort of favoritism I'd imagine :)

@Theverytechnologypony yea, to me its the easiest and most obvious one :)

@Theverytechnologypony The bigest one in my eyes is Primacy Bias resulting in Belief perseverance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance#Persistence_of_discredited_beliefs

@bebecool

I just stopped associating with people who make me choose, much easier.

@stux @QueenRamonda

@bebecool

These days its hard to decide between sad and funny.

@stux @QueenRamonda

@QueenRamonda @stux Since your boost revealed this post to me thought I'd tag you in my response...

@QueenRamonda

While I'm no trump fan by any means, holy hell the lies and propaganda in this post...

This post right here is the danger of parroting claims from commercially motivated partisan sources without actually doing the research yourself. Sadly most of what you just said, and the picture painted overall, is largely a fiction designed to manipulate people with disinformation to support a political agenda (in this case support for democrats)... the reality is very different when one does some actual research, as it usually is on any side.

First lets take the most glaring lie in this post:

> ...passed with the unanimous support of the Dems and opposed only by Republicans.

Not only is this untrue but in fact the majority of the opposition came from the ''democrats'' not republicans. The actual tally of votes for the First Step Act across congress were as follows:

* Democrats: 181 for 57 against (that is 76% for)
* Republicans: 264 for 14 against (95% for)

Not only did the republicans support the bill more so than democrats but by a pretty huge margin. Which makes the whole "opposed only by republicans" not just a flat out lie, but, with the reverse being true, very clear propaganda.

The other point to address is this bit:

> ..a veto-proof majority passed..

While you are certainly correct its a veto-proof majority the devil is in the details. Trump supported the bill **before** it went to vote. His support therefore is irrelevant to the fact that it had a veto-proof majority as he had supported it long before we knew it would be a veto-proof majority.

In fact since he showed support for the bill prior to a vote one could argue that he helped, at least among republicans, secure more votes than it might have otherwise received. So the very reason it got enough support to have a veto-proof majority is in part due to the efforts of Trump to show his support for the bill in the first place.

So while this point isnt exactly a lie, it is horribly dishonest to frame it as if it is somehow suggestive that his support is insincere or otherwise a strike against trump.

@likho

I dont really agree with the whole men dont care so much about validation from other men.

If anything I'd say the opposite is true. Part of what is validating to a man is coming across as being strong, so strong they dont care about what people think of them. Therefore part of the need to be validated from men comes with it the desire to mask that need for validation, as it appears weak. But hiding the need for validation is just one of the elements men use in order to feel validated and to get that validation.

So I'd argue the real difference is just that men while wanting validation from other men just as much are far less likely to be secure enough to show that insecurity where women are much more comfortable showing their insecurity and make little effort to hide their desire for validation.

@matrix

@noellabo Oh dont worry about it, dont change how you write for me. It just gave me a laugh is all.

@matrix I was just being silly anyway, I didnt mean that, it just made me laugh.

But if we are being serious I find men need validation too just in very different ways.

@noellabo so its a slang term for a server, or just the normal word for it and it means more than one thing? I know in many asian languages a single word can have many different meanings that seem very different from each other, more so than western languages.