🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@raucao Seeing as your quoting me as saying things I did not say at any point in the conversation and paraphrasing my stance in a way that in no way reflects my stance, it is no surprise you are similarly confgused about any similarity between my stance and MMT. Clearly you dont even know what my stance is, let alone how it may or may not be similar to MMT.

@raucao Nope I never said anything of the sort. Again nice try, but trying to tell me what I said when I didnt say it isnt going to progress this conversation in the least.

@raucao It seems perhaps I misunderstoof you then..

When you said "That is complete nonsense" I took that to mean you thought it was nonsense that the fed didnt profit.

Sounds like what you are saying is that it is nonsense you would think such a think and that you do, in fact, agree that the fed does not and can not make a profit.

If that is the case then I apologize for misreading what you said (though by that point you had already acted somewhat rudely, so you have some blame in that interactions yourself I'd say).

@raucao I said absolutely nothing in support of MMT and the views I proposed were not the least bit in line with MMT. Nice try though.

@raucao you do realize that when you quote someone it has to actually be something the person said... I said nothing of the sort, dont put words into my mouth.

@raucao Central Bank is another term for the Fed... You told me it was "nonsense" that they arent allowed to hold profit... ergo, yes, you make a remark about the fed.

@blinkwarp Wait, wow, you were serious...

Are you really a professional scientist/engineer or studying to be one? You do know this server is exclusive to those in the STEM community right? Forgive me but its hard to think someone who is a professional in our field would actually have these sorts of opinions.

@blinkwarp The idea that the covid vaccine could seriously be a means to insert a chip into people, for example... the Conspiracy Theory nuttery basically.

@blinkwarp

LOL I assume this was meant as a joke, that is how I took it.

@khird XKCD never fails to deliver, not even once!

"If everyone jumped off a bridge would you too?"...."

Of course! Clearly they know something I dont. There is probably money or horny women at the bottom of that bridge!

@math

LOL I can relate to this way too much.

#Math #Mathematics #Calculus #Science #Funny @funny

@Shamar

So there are many problems with what your trying to do. The fist is the fact that the computer that is trying to determine the location does nt and can not know anything about the content of the TCP stream or be a party to that communication. As you point out you need to handle encrypted streams like HTTPS which means you are excluded from being aware of anything in the content of that stream.

the reason this is a problem is because even if you were the HTTPS server itself hosting the service it would be very difficult for you to reliably and securely detect the geolocation of an IP. you can of course do a reverse GEO lookup on the IP, but that is easily circuvented by just routing through an IP address in the USA very a VPN. You could also use the browser API that almost all browsers have to request the clients location. In thsi case the browser will give a fairly accurate location as it uses GPS, cell tower location, pretty much anything it has access to in order to get the location of the client. However again this requires the cooperation of the client. A client could trivially just not use a browser and write their own program that connects to the server directly, or even just use curl, and can spoof any location data it wishes, with or without combining this with VPN.

In fact there are a great many very large and well funded companies that put a significant amount of effort into trying to solve a similar problem. Take netflix as a example. They have a significant financial incentive to know the correct geolocation of its users so it can know what shows it can provide the user, which changes based on their location (as a result of the agreement with the owners of the copyright of the shows). so they employ significant efforts to try to do this.

Even with netflixes resources it is still trivial to just use a VPN and get around it. The way they do it is they use reverse geoip like everyone else but then have a very extensive blacklist of IP addresses that are known or suspected to be a VPN and simply reject anyone behind a VPN and refuse to try to even try to figure out their real geo location at that point.

There are technologies that are in the proposal stage that may solve this like Client Presence Verification and Secure Location Verification, but they arent really ready for prime-time yet.

That said if your end points are HTTPs then any attack such as you describe would be pointless presuming valid certificate chains are maintained. Even if someone could route the traffic off to their location they couldnt do anything with it as it is all encrypted and HTTPS prevents a man in the middle attack as well.

@khird

@dankmaximus

ehhh I dunno. I seem to find blocks are just as common, maybe more so, here than on twitter. the main difference is here people are more eager to engage too.. so you get more blocks but you get proportionally more follows.

@raucao haha Q.E.D. then.

The degree of anti-fed conspiracy is always proportional to the ignorance of the person it seems.

Not only is it federal law they cant keep profits, not only have they in the past had to give those profits back to the US treasury, but it doesnt even have owners in the typical sense. The people running the fed are selected each election by the elected president. Those in charge do not get payouts from profits as an owner would either, they get paid and the amount they are paid is not related to the amount of money the fed itself deals in.

Literally nothing about the fed is in line with the usual conspiracy nonsense you hear but it seems the less people know about the process the more prevalent that thinking is.

I really dont mind if you wish to hate the fed or anything else. But please try to understand the things you hate at a minimum, because otherwise you just waste everyone's time.

@Shamar

sorry but im still a bit lost on your question (thought i understood it until you explained it just now, lol)...

> the ethernet responding to such specific IP

referring to the ethernet as a singular entity I think is what is confusing me. an ethernet is really just the set of protocols and technologies that allow us to construct lans, wans, and the internet as a whole. "Ethernet" isnt a word but if i were to guess what you mean I think it sounds like your talking about a LAN maybe, or atleast some set, probably privately owned, group of computers.

> In other terms Alice and Bob need a test that proves that the ethernet

Again this confuses me as the ethernet is not a thing that responds, it is a set of technologies, which may be used to facilitate a response, buyt something else is doing the responding...

Is it safe, for simplicty sake to just say you want some server that is serving up some port, when connected to by a TCP address (or perhaps more specifically HTTP), that it needs a way to determine the location of the connecting computer down to its nation?

Moreover, and this is the important part i need to know to provide an answer... do you need a solution that is near to impossible for a client to spoof or deceive in some way. As in hard to circumvent.

@khird

@raucao Next your going to tell me the central bank makes money off you ::rolls eyes:: never mind the fact they cant legally hold a profit by definition and any profit it makes must be forfit...

Gotta love the central bank conspiracy theorists.

@Shamar

So i presume the reason kihrd's solution wasnt good for you is because you need a location more specific than just the continent.

Do you need the position you get from the client to be proven, as in, secure and reliable in such a way that the client can not reasonably pretend to be somwhere they are not?

How fine grained do you need the location to be?

@khird

@raucao thats sort of true.. for starters we have to be clear what "money" means.. money is not phsyical notes, if you are talking about physical notes then it has a different term "Monetary Base".. but up until the intention is that we are talking about total money supply, if i have misunderstood what you are saying in this regard please stop me now.

with that said, what the bank is really doing is keeping a reserve on hand that statistically should be enough to cover all expected with draws by all clients... while the money ont he balance sheets is quite a bit less than the total balance of all their clients, it is more than enough to handle any withdraws they make.

What is special about the situation, and why the bank can pretend it has more money than it has by putting on your balance sheet when you dont have it, is because they personally guarantee the difference, and this is backed up by the feds who DO have as much money as they need to back that up.

So in the unlikely event that a bank experiences a much higher than expected number of withdraws they are still more than capable of giving you your money and they will simply take a loan out from the central bank to cover it temporarily,a nd the bank will take the interest penalty themselves as it was their mistake...

So in all reality it isnt really just infinite money out of nowhere, it is backed, and backed with collateral, so it is secured.