🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@arteteco I had that problem sooo much in university. I jsut kept thinking "Why am I paying for this nonsense"

@Science

Please know your philosophical razors if you dont already!

(taken from wikipedia):

* Occam's razor: Simpler explanations are more likely to be correct; avoid unnecessary or improbable assumptions.

* Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

* Hitchens's razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

* Hume's guillotine: What ought to be cannot be deduced from what is. "If the cause, assigned for any effect, be not sufficient to produce it, we must either reject that cause, or add to it such qualities as will give it a just proportion to the effect."

* Newton's flaming laser sword: If something cannot be settled by experiment or observation, then it is not worthy of debate.

* Sagan standard: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

* Popper's falsifiability principle: For a theory to be considered scientific, it must be falsifiable.

* Grice's razor: As a principle of parsimony[disambiguation needed], conversational implications are to be preferred over semantic context for linguistic explanations.

#science #philosophy #Logic

@admin lolol Merry Christmas to you too :)

@realcaseyrollins

Yea, it takes on a level of absurdity too. Like Snow was originally a QOTO member, we never kicked snow out or anything but we had a discussiona bout if we should allow non-english languages the moderators cant read. We decided to allow other languages. Snow went on a multiple day rant spamming our discourse with insistance that we should either 1) block the chinese users they disliked with weak justification or 2) ban all chinese (mostly pushing for #2).. got so bad we had to temporarily mute snow on the discourse... Seems weird to me to be pro-free speech and then want to see everyone banned for really weak motives.

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@2ck All of them. The justification being that all the usual safety requirements for releasing a vaccine had been relaxed or skipped. This is why there was 1) a requirement of an emergency approval from the president to allow it to be released without the full rounds of safety 2) an exemption from liability that ensures the company cant be sued by those who take the vaccine.

the specific safety skipped is two fold. one, and this isnt the most troubling by a long shot, is that at least one ovf the vaccines skipped the animal testing phase.. two, and the most concerning, is the lack of long-term trials during safety tests. This is one of the most important steps for safety (and usually lasts several years). It detects things like ADE which can only be detected through long term studies. ADE is where the effects of getting a vaccine are immunity in the short term (order of months) but severe adverse reaction to infections after 9 months, a year or more. If a vaccine produces ADE then a person who gets infected a year or more into the future will have much **worse** reaction to the disease with higher mortality rates and permanent injury over those who are unvaccinated.

@admin

LOL this guy is straight up schizophrenic.. i feel bad for him so i just mostly ignore him. Its hard not to laugh a little though.

@zlax@mstdn.social

@trinsec lightly is a bit of a loaded term... they skipped studies that often catch complications that would have resulted in many perminantly injured or dead, we have those safety measures in place for a reason.

We aso know fromt he past that when we start skipping steps on vaccines, people die, lots of them... we might get lucky here sure, but it is wreckless and stupid and the result of fear mongering that has been amplified throughout the course of the virus (not to say it isnt a serious virus, but it has been used as a point of fear regardless).

ADE is by far the biggest risk factor and the one most scientists keep warning us about and have continually asked the FDE to not skip safety steps for fear of ADE.. ADE is most often detected from the long term studies and if it does crop up can turn a vaccine that appears safe in short term studies into a mass-killer long term.

ADE is a documented effect (and the reason for several vaccines to be rejected) whereby a vaccine causes immunity in the short term but causes an amplified effect in long-term exposure so that people exposed to the virus 9 months, a year, or sometimes more into the future wind up have extremely severe reactions to the virus (often leading to death).

There is nothing the FDA could do to avoid this other than the proper long term studies... there is no replacement or way to speed up proper drug safety, especially not with vaccines.

@trinsec No they havent. One has completely skipped the animal testing phase (the others did not skip however) and every single one of them significantly cut down the required time in each phase, by passing the usual (and very critical) ong term studies needed.

No this is typically unrelated to funding, most vaccines are developed in house at huge pharmaceutical companies, they are more than capable of funding their own projects typically.

In fact the process cut out such a huge swatch of the normally required time for each phase that it required emergency status from the president to make it legal at all.

@Wetrix sounds like a good plan :)

@Wetrix Just cause I disagreed with you doesnt mean it was bad. Plus to be fair our disagreement was unrelated to politics, it was related to science :)

@Wetrix I am thanks, you as well.

@josemanuel there is some situational naivety I suppose

@Wetrix Sorry but thats a complete fiction on the same level as being a flat earther, that is where we will have to part ways on any semblance of an agreement.

@Wetrix Well now your changing the topic (which I dont mind) from "why do the democrats hate him"... to "hey he wasny a bad president"... but ok lets do that.

He did some good and I'll be the first to agree liberals minified and ignored virtually all the good points someone could mention, and there were a few.

But by the same token he did some horrific things that requires a unique level of stupidity to accomplish... his war on climate change and then science and the environment more generally, for example, was embarrassing.

@johnabs yup, im generally pro-vaccine, but only because of that safety, I wont support one despite that safety however.

@Wetrix I'm not sure i entirely agree. I will admit there is some of it that is him being an outsider and all that, but I think its far more cold and calculated than that.

Trump is a horrible politician in the sense that he is a very poor liar, generally low intelligence, and spews garbage most of the time he opens his mouth. The things he says are not well worded and as such can easily be twisted and used against him since it often lacks clarity due to his low spoken intelligence.

This is a goldmine from the perspective of the democrats whose first goal is do anything they can to discredit the GOP, valid or not. They can, and do, easily manipulate his words and takes what he says (often out of context or distorted) and make it look and sound like he is hitler reincarnate (when really he is more like a reincarnation of hitler's court jester, if he had one). Trump is a democrats wet dream when it comes to doing a character assassination on the GOP, and it worked.

So it wasnt so much that they hated him, it was more that he was the perfect person to hate to suite the agenda.