🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@cowanon So I hear we are the same people now... how does it feel to be me?

For anyone who sees this nonsense, for the record I have never had an account on FSE, would never as I dont trust P (as should be obvious) enough to have one, and certainly was not cowanon.

As is apparent from the lack of evidence to connect me to the account, they just pulled this shit out of their ass. P's obsession with me over the last year or so is getting out of hand.

@grips

I'm not cowanon. The dude is talking out of his ass. Considering I've told the dude off many times and am pretty idologically opposed to most of the shit he posts it should be fairly obvious it isnt me.. Plus you know, the lack of any evidence too.

@modfaggotry @p

@modfaggotry

I'm so confused what your talking about.. what does @cowanon have to do with me or with QOTO?

Why am I even CC'ed at all?

@11112011 @cowanon@freespeechextremist.com @cowanon@neckbeard.xyz @cowanon@shitposter.club

I'm so confused what your talking about.. what does @cowanon have to do with me or with QOTO?

@leyonhjelm
@11112011 @cowanon@freespeechextremist.com @modfaggotry @cowanon@neckbeard.xyz @cowanon@shitposter.club

@ccc yea, I mean obviously there will be some local record of who gets what. Your personal doctor will have your name and personal files for example. thats fine, particularly if you have the right to purge that data at your leisure.

but as we agree a national registry is not needed

@pthenq1
Quotes directly from your own post (peer reviewed journal) and supports exactly what i said perfectly:

ADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other human respiratory virus infections including RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based interventions. However, clinical data has not yet fully established a role for ADE in human COVID-19 pathology. 

@pthenq1
I do find it funny though that all the links agree with what i said, for the most part. As i said ADE is not a garuntee but the risk, even though being a minority chance, has devastating results. Even as the links pointed out there are many peer reviewed journals pointing out the riska of ADE and no one has been able to rule it out.

Even the papers you link claim mixed results and a chance of ADE.

@pthenq1
I already stated it is unlikely, but if it occurs the results woukd be horrific and thus why we have long term trials.

No we would not see it in these phase 3 trials as they are two short to show ade, under normal vaccines with long term phase 3 trials we would see it.

@pthenq1 This is so horribly naive as to the problem.. you are citing people having reactions to the virus the 2 r 3 m per million **that is not the concern**..

The concern is not people reacting to a virus being administered int he days or even month after, that is easily handled with short term safety tests and not even the **point** of the tests that were skipped.

The tests skipped were the long term tests, they are not designed to test the risk of th vaccine causing harm immediately after administration.

If you bothered to read the scientific journals on the topic the thing doctors are up in arms about is the lack of **long** term tests, ones that on most vaccines typically fail to pass due to ADE.

With ADE a person administered a vaccine can and often does show short term immunity and is perfectly reaction free. However those immunized long term (9 months, a year or more) into the future will show deadly reactions to the virus they are immunized against causing those vaccinated to become significantly more ill (and often die) than those unvaccinated. ADE is primary reasonw e do long term testing at all.

The skipping of long term tests means there is absolutely **no** protection against ADE. There is a small, but not 0 chance that anyone vaccinated will become a walking time bomb and in a year exposure to the virus would be deadly to those vaccinated. This is the reason the vaccine panel in europe was urged to not release the vaccine and the reason so many doctors are pissed off and pushing to hold off on releasing it, al of which are falling on deaf ears.

Please dtop with this nonsense and bother to educate yourself on what the concern even is before you come in with this shit, because your response suggests you are copletely naive to the risks being discussed (if you werent you wouldnt be talking about short term adverse reactions, that isnt even a concern at all!).

We have seen the dangerous of rushed vaccines before, people die.. here we are again playing dice, virtually forcing people to get a vaccine with no right to sue (insurance is not sueing, it is capped and will not help when everyone gets ADE, its not a big enough fund to cover that).

In the chance that ADE becomes a real concern here, and while it may be small chance, the result is FAR FAR more dead than what COVID could do on its own, thats the risk, and the fact that you are perfectly ok with that risk being forced onto health professionals is saddening and very telling at the same time.

@pthenq1 FYI sorry about following you and unfollowing so often, I think ive done it a few times before. I have a personal policy to follow anyone who engages respectfully especially on stron differences of opinion. You fit that so I often follow you and go "wow im surprised im not already following him.

However then I realize your posts arent in english and I cant read them so I usually unfollow shortly after.. Didnt want you to think it was a tactic on my end and thought it might be worth saying why i keep doing that.. sorry.

@pthenq1 You really dont see the problem with passing emergency laws that prevents someone who received the vaccine from suing the government or the company that made it if they are died or injured and at the same time requiring people to vaccinate if they want to perform certain tasks...

You cant cook up something in a lab, bypass all safety, then require people to vaccinate if they want to be part of society and go to public gatherings or get a job.

The second they passed a vaccine that was given emergency privilage to bypass safety protocols was the moment they lost **any** right to force anyone to be vaccinated under any circumstance. Volunteer, sure.. but now you are seriously going to tell me my nurse friends, most of whom do not want to put their life and health at risk on a rushed and unsafe vaccine, need to loose their job and thats perfectly acceptable.

Cut me a break, its astonishing you cant see the problem here.

@pthenq1 bullshit, no one should ever be obligated to reveal their medical history.

The way this is going to ply out is your going to be required to show proof of vaccination if you want to attend public gatherings, effectively forcing people to take a vaccine that is life threatening (didnt go through proper safety vetting)

@pthenq1 No previously to get int he state immunization record you had to specifically request it from your doctor and by default you wouldnt be entered into it. Furthermore it was kept at a state, not national level with wach state keeping its own record.

I am less concerned with records i volunteer to be added to getting shared but in this case it doesnt appear to be an opt-in scenario anymore

@Hyolobrika

No it is a disease not an insult. As I said its mostly sad.

@admin

@Defectivetrxgedy Sounds a lot like eastern cultures too. In fact China seems to be at it well into recent history.

@math

lol

#math #maths #mathematics #funny #joke #jokes #humour #homor #meme @funny

@ccc well no you dont really need to know it at a hospital level. Generally the way youd do it is similar to how we are already doing it.

1) announce vaccines are available only to healthcare workers at the current stage.

2) Ask all healthcare workers to apply at their hospital for a vaccine

3) see the demand and requests and begin distributing

You dont need to know who got vaccinated to do logistics all you need to know is who is requesting to be vaccinated and of the criteria you specify for each stage which criteria they match.

There is really no logistical advantage to having a database that has identifiable information, you just need to know who has placed themselves in the queue.