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@koherecoWatchdog

No thats not what I said. I never said I dont care about CISPA/CISA or the laws themselves.. What I said is that I do not expect companies to lobby for me or for laws. Regardless of how I feel about a law I will **not** hold it against a company when they dont lobby, in my mind that would be absurd. I do not expect or want companies to lobby for laws, that isnt their place.

@kravietz @2ck

@koherecoWatchdog

Two of them are political and not particularly relevent (I really dont care that my broker didnt happen to lobby for CISPA and stuck to brokering).

In fact the only thing on that list that I'd even consider a black mark against the company is the forced drug testing of their employees. In one case that appears to even gotten a firm on the list.

So yea in that case that list means pretty much 0 to me.. though your earlier points about the validity of the ethical issues could be valid id have to look into that.

@2ck @kravietz

@koherecoWatchdog

No idea why it gets the rating it does id have to look into it. they do offer a break down on the aspects that influences its rating, have you checked to see what those are?

@kravietz @2ck

@koherecoWatchdog

I have put little to no effort into checked how accurate the tool is, thanks for bringing up those points.

@2ck @kravietz

@koherecoWatchdog

thats not the best way to reason about it.. how much coal and quartz needs to be cooked, on average, to make one panel. How does that compare to the amount of CO2 put in the air to generate the same amount of electricity that panel will generate in a lifetime from a coal power plant?

Being able to point out that there are pollution concerns with solar panels is fine, and valid. But when that pollution is orders of magnitude less than the same energy production through coal its a moot point.

@kravietz @2ck

@antigravman oh god now im going to have nightmares... so many times of me spamming ctrl+c and then realizing the partition information is going to be the first thing deleted :)

Why are things always getting blown up to kingdom come or to smithereens.. But you never hear "I disassembled it to smithereens".. I'm taking it back! I am going to use it from now on for everything "Hey cut that carrot up to smithereens for me will ya" and "I assembled the jigsaw puzzle from smithereens", "I formated my hard drive to kingdom come"

@SmilingTexan Ahh I see, well that makes sense then. I would agree entierly with that, encouraging the study of art, particularly by those in STEM, is important for a well rounded individual and makes them a better STEM professional.

@SmilingTexan Art is important in life, but the term STEM is not about iterating the things that are important in life. It is about closely related disciplines that form a single unifying category. must know all 4 to do any of those four. It is quite impossible to be a scientist without knowing math, or an engineer without knowing the science behind what you build. While I might agree you will be a less capable scientist if you have never studied art you are still more than capable of doing science regardless.

QOTO is a community exclusively for professionals, students, and enthusiasts of STEM. While I would love to think some of (and I hope many of) our members do some form of art as a hobby it would be counter intuitive to allow artists in who do not otherwise have a stem background.

What are of STEM do you engage with?

@SmilingTexan

QOTO (though not always the greater fediverse) thrives on difference of opinion and mature discussion. It is pretty much what we are all about. We try to welcome people from all ends of the spectrum (short of literal nazis or racists, and no being a trump supporter doesnt put you in that category) and encourage respectful discussions in the hopes that everyone can come away with a better perspective of the other side and in some cases even change some minds.

Afterall that is what STEM is all about, exploring ideas in earnest and charitably.

@srwennekes @sillystring

@timorl

Then you werent watching the live feed. the reporters themselves on the live feed, up until the first unarmed protesters was murdered, said "They appear peaceful".. pretty much literally all except for about 5 were and the ones that were not had not assaulted or injured any individuals but had broken windows and were trying to get into the chamber. but yes they were very few indeed.

Now **after** the unarmed protester was murdered by the cop more than 5 people began to act violently for sure. But that was a response from the crowd, and thankfully still somewhat isolated at that point.

> Have you watched the video I linked earlier? The other video where people chase the policeman through the corridors?

Yes I saw the video long before you linked it. It had a police officer running from an unarmed group of people who were chasing him as he repeatedly stopped, tried to beat them with their baton, and then ran again.

As a general rule when you try to beat a unarmed crowd that out numbers you with a stick you will likely get chased. Now while no one in that video at any point assaulted the police officer that we could see one might expect the outcome of that could have potentially been a few punches in good measure for the beating the officer was giving them. However we do not see that actually happen in the video so hard to say if that was the outcome.

> So forcing a car off a road is not violence? It’s a safe thing you do only symbolically?

The car wasnt forced off the road. In the scene you describe the car tried to force the trump supporter off the road by trying to dangerously force merge in between the truck and the bus ahead when there was not enough space between them. The truck then **responded** to this by veering to the left. while the Truck driver was acting inappropriately in engaging in surrounding the bus in the first place that does not justify the other driver trying to drive **him** off the road and potentially kill him. The truck drivers response is likely the only thing that saved his life by veering to the left to ensure he had the momentum.

> but we all warned you this would happen

Sorry but when your burning down buildings, installing dictatorships (literally) across multiple city blocks, burning down cars, and beating people bloody in the streets cries of "oh he might maybe incite some fascism" is going to fall on deaf ears... and a unarmed "coup attempt" by all of 5 people, one of whom get shot dead is hardly a counter argument that you were right.

> Yeah, I remember the multi-day protests after he won an election, because people were worried this would end badly,

A bunch of violence because people were worried it would end bady, 4 years of building fires and violence all because you were worried it would end badly, and it ended with half a dozen nut jobs trying to walk into the chamber unarmed , which was responded to by killing one of them. good thing you did all that violence to warn us of that oh so horrible threat... maybe next time do it without burning down buildings and you **might** come out smelling like roses, but not this time.

@2ck @antigravman

@bartok Hey welcome to the server. What are you stem interests? Maybe try making an introduction post (see my timeline), its a great way to start things off.

@SmilingTexan

Yes and no, people paid him money mostly because of a combination between being rich, and being famous, neither of which is the result of any intellgence on his part.

1) Him being rich is mostly due to his dad's credit and initial seed money. If you look at the money he was given that he didnt earn, and his ROI on that through the years he actually did a rather poor job as a business man. He would have made more money just putting money into the S&P 500 index and doing nothing then he ever made himself. In other words, old people in nursing homes living off their 401K managed to be better business men then he ever was (saw a bigger return on their investment). Unfortunately they just started with less.

2) Him being famous certainly made him money. But then again there are a lot of rich stupid people who got that way by being famous. I suppose you could wish to be a Kardashian too by that logic.

so yea, none of that is remotely an indication that he is smart and we have more than enough counter examples to show it. It means he had a rich daddy and people found it comical to watch how stupid he behaves on tv, thats about it.

@srwennekes @sillystring

@zleap An interesting idea.. Would it be just for fun or would it server a functional purpose?