🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@finity

Face shields have much the same problem for asthmatics, they restrict the flow of air and can induce attacks.

@koherecoWatchdog

@finity

Yes I know its not a Law, we've discussed that already. Calling it a law is a typo, though effectively it isnt much different, if you break it on public property and refuse to leave you get arrested (likely for trespassing or some nonsense if they tell you to leave). So its good enough for me, what its called isnt particularly important.

@koherecoWatchdog

@finity

I have quite literally mentioned every single one of those and criticized him for it over the years. so again, not really sure what your on about, or what any of this has to do with biden.. He has been in office all of 3 days, and has his first fuckup, Trump was in office 4 years and had many fuckups.. I can and will call out each of them as they happen.

The real question is, why are **you** so worked up about someone criticizing a misstep which you even agreed as such and what does any of that have to do with Trump, which somehow, mysteriously, is your main talking point in a post about Biden that Trump had nothing to do with.

@koherecoWatchdog

@finity

Also to be clear the issue here is not **just** the hip[pocrisy, its the fact that he (as expected) as no problem taking away people's rights while at the same time not being beholden to those same restrictions. Its a double wammy from any already unacceptable EO. I have severe asthema and like many asthematics laws like this put our lives at risk when it is a common asthematic trigger. Despite this most people claiming medical exemptions are laughed at and attacked for not wearing masks in the past. So this law in my view is unacceptable even when i encourage most people to wear masks.

@koherecoWatchdog

@finity

I cant think of a single hypocrisy that Trump commited I didnt complain about. Can you name a few examples of hypocrisies from Trump which I supported or didnt mention?

@koherecoWatchdog

@louiscouture well we are entierly off subject, but no I wouldnt find it acceptable to support that as a matter of law even though i do not oppose the voluntary use of masks.

@louiscouture I cant speak for Canada or how the laws go there. If a shop owner wants to ask someone to wear a mask I dont particularly care, if law enforcement is going to tell me I have to thats a different story, then I might be against it. But again, not the point here really anyway.

@louiscouture

> it’s really not as big of a deal as the complete shitshow the trump administration was, and I remind you it literally tried a coup.

Why are you even mentioning Trump right now? What does Trump have to do with the conversation on any level.

> I remind you it literally tried a coup.

I presume "it" is Trump here? Not that it is relevant to the conversation but Trump never tried a coup, no idea what your talking about, he said he would leave peacefully when asked early on, when a small handful of people got violent in his name he quickly got on TV and told them to stop and go home, and he left the office on time and without any trouble. In fact he even said some nice things about the incoming administration in his farewell address.... so not sure what your even talking about here.

> What’s really hypocritical is that the trumplican side suddenly cares about laws and ethics where they give no damn during the last 4 years.

What Trumplician side. I was literally anti-trump for 4 years straight and im still calling biden out on this shit and think Biden is a horrible president... Trump has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation on any level.

@finity

An example of one of the countless trump criticisms I employed over the years btw:

The first one is me literally claiming Trump was the worst politician in US history.. not sure what else you expect from me in terms of criticising the other side:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/103811190911142333

https://qoto.org/@freemo/102447409547647736

https://qoto.org/users/freemo/statuses/101632934681689341

@koherecoWatchdog

@finity

There wasnt one order there were two, you only linked the second (and the less damning of the two). The first covers far more than what you mentioned (planes, federal land, etc, with few or no exceptions listed):

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/21/executive-order-promoting-covid-19-safety-in-domestic-and-international-travel/

> 4) I didn’t see you complaining about any of the hundreds of examples of shocking hypocrisy during the last administration,

Not sure what the last president has to do with anything, but you clearly weren't looking then. I repeatedly and consistently mentioned the last president was horrific in countless ways and never once supported the last president. so not sure what your on about.

@koherecoWatchdog

@louiscouture Already covered that in my first response. The law/order he passed does **not** make exceptions for the distance you happen to be from people. So again, not an excuse in the slightest.

The argument you make is the very reason why such laws/orders should not exist, because they are situational and people have the right to judge those situations and decide if a mask is suited for them or not... thats the whole point of the hypocrisy.. you cant say "people need to 100% wear masks or else its against my rules!" and then pick and choose when to wear masks and when not to yourself. If you feel it should be mandated all the time then I damn well expect you to be wearing one all the time.

Also, the speaker was inside a federal building (she is part of the administration) so not really much wiggle room on this.

@icedquinn

A quote on it for you:

The order covers interstate travel, the White House says. It applies to commercial aircraft, trains, public maritime vessels, including ferries, and intercity buses. The order also covers “public transportation,” defined broadly under a U.S. code section as “continuing shared-ride surface transportation services that are open to the general public or open to a segment of the general public defined by age, disability or low income.”

@louiscouture

@icedquinn

Only the courts can decide that. for now your going to get arrested/fined/not allowed to enter the country. Federal employees follow these orders. Now if someone bothers to fight it in a federal court, perhaps needing to take it up to the supreme court (depending on the ruling) then you may turn out to be right and they could be ruled unlawful... but by default they can and will be treated as valid.

@louiscouture

@icedquinn

Texas isnt federal land, so no they cant, that is also irrelevant to the discussion.

Biden cant make you wear a mask on the street, in the city, or anywhere else, thats state jurisdiction. But he **can** (and did) make executive orders where federal jurisdiction has discretion. the feds are free to say who can or cant be on federal land, make any rules they wish, and that includes planes because they cross borders and thus are federal jurisdiction.

@louiscouture

@icedquinn

If it only applies to federal employees then why is the first of his two EO specific to civilians on planes? Your argument makes no sense, EOs 100% can effect anyone in a place with federal jurisdiction.

His first order literally doesnt allow people to enter the USA on a plane if they refuse to wear a mask, how arwe foreigners on planes federal employees now?

@louiscouture

@louiscouture That makes no sense.

If you decide you are going to pass a law, you have decided the thing you are making illegal is immoral, wrong, and hurtful to others. Therefore if you violate it, even if you do so in the hours before it comes into effect, you are violating the very ethical code you are trying to enforce on others via the law.

Can you only be a hypocrite if you pass a law then break it? that sounds absurd to me. Biden, and anyone else would be just as much a hypocrite if no law were even passed and all he did was say "it is wrong to not wear a mask" and then walk around not wearing a mask. your grasping at straws to excuse his behavior.

@icedquinn

Executive orders can and do apply to people who aren't federal employees, but only when on federal land (which is the point). The federal government basically only has jurisdiction on federal land. For many things that means they cant touch you with an EO 99% of the time, but if its a federal matter then you are entierly beholden to it.

Take, for example, the EOs Trump passed that insisted illegal immigrants trying to cross the border be detained and tried, and his EOs around deportation. Obviously those people effected were not federal employees, but he was able to effect them because crossing borders is federal jurisdiction.

@louiscouture

@louiscouture That is some weak excuse man... I never said he broke the law for starters, I said he was a hypocrite.

Second if he feels it so strongly that it should be illegal then he should be walking around doing it, the fact taht he did it less than 24 hours before signing a law doesnt get him off the hook.

Third if its so easy to "just forget", and if that is entierly excusable then.. and ill say this slowly... dont... make... it... a... law.

Fourth and more important.. no I wouldnt cancel Joe biden **just** for this, the laundry list of horrifically immoral things that man has done wouldn't have this small infraction anywhere near the top of it. He was canceled long long ago before this particular misstep. But it does show my judgement of his character as a horrible person is consistent and correct.

@louiscouture

1) He was not alone, in fact the speaker even pointed out in her response that he wasnt alone mentioning some of the people that surrounded him.

2) the law he passed does **not** make exemptions for being alone or for when you have distance between yourself and others. So even if he was alone or sufficiently distances this is no excuse if we are to judge him by the same standard the order he passed judges us.

@louiscouture ummm, obviously.. nor did I suggest they were. This is why I pointed out how **both** of them (as seperate people and all) violated the very law they just enforced.