🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@koherecoWatchdog No im not just talking about private entities not wanting to carry someones nonsense.. thats somewhat concerning but not the examples I am considering. In fact I gave you one such example and it didnt related to that at all.. liberals physically disrupted ben shapiro's right to freedom of speech in a private space that permitted him to talk , liberals on **many** occasions would go to such events and use various tactics to prevent him from speaking (including destroying equipment). I have never witnessed such a thing out of the right.

I have also heard a great many people justify Europes tendency to outlaw certain forms of speech (for example it is illegal in the netherlands and Germany to make the hitler salute), it is always the liberals supporting these violations of freedom of speech.

@anonymoose

I agree with most of your points. Though I dont mind so much if he had a lot of protection during his inauguration.

@koherecoWatchdog

@koherecoWatchdog No i understand that distinction and entirely agree with it.. anti-fascism is generally a good thing, antifa is more than just anti-fascists and they are a legitimate concern. But my concerns are not entierly limited to them... That said the sort of truly violent liberals will generally support antifa, but there is a brand of liberals who are in the middle, perhaps not as violent as antifa, but still quite concerning (re my last message giving examples of fascism of both sides).

@koherecoWatchdog each side deals in a different flavor of facism. The left tend to be the ones who talk more about facism being an evil, but are also the ones using facism just as much, if not more so, than the right.

The rights sort of fascism is a sense of national pride, for example a requirement you must honor and respect the sacrafice of our military. If I were to say "people in the US military are immoral for their choice in jobs and are effectively murderers" this would be unacceptable to someone on the right and they would likely get very mad at you.

But on the flip side the right also believes more strongly in free speech, so they would be the last ones to want to see a law that would put you in jail for saying such nasty things about members of the military. So the offense would be limited to a personal one and it would not play out as fascism from a legal standpoint if they had their way.

However the liberal/lefts would exhibit the opposite sort of fascism. They might not care so much if you honor the military, in fact some of them might even agree with me that the military as a profession equates to murder. But they would be far more likely to argue for limiting my freedom of speech and might argue that it is ok to be arrested, or at the very least campaign for you to loose your job and all your livlihood, over something you said they may have disagreed with. Sometimes even taking action to physically prevent the speech. A prime example of this are the liberals who destroyed property and even incited a riot in one situation in order to prevent Ben shapiro from given a talk in a closed space at various universities

Both are fascist, both in different ways, but the liberal fascism to me seems far more dangerous.

@zleap

Yes that too, the government is too busy with their circle jerk to be bothered being public servants.

@kino @dankmaximus

@koherecoWatchdog No not just antifa, but yes antifa tends to be concentrated on the more radical side for sure.

I have experienced this sort of fascist intolerance as a mentality (and support for the violence) even just from conversations with people who were democrats/liberals in the USA and people I was shocked to learn would ever support such a thing. I cant tell you the number of personal real-life friends on facebook I saw cheering on the violence we had in philly every time it broke out of the last 4 years for various reasons (both riots and on smaller scales). The pattern is scary and seems wide spread.

@koherecoWatchdog Just to be clear outside of the USA liberals are wonderful people and i dont see these same patterns.

@zleap

I do my best to avoid it, but i do try to discuss topics critically so being sent links to news articles that I need to read and form an opinion about happens often. It almost always results in me going "What is this bias piece of crap, thats not even news!"

@kino @dankmaximus

@zleap

The headlines and content gets worse and worse everyday.. that article about the weather actually changing on bidens election day in a supposed news journal (which isnt suppose to be bias) sounded like something straight out of north korea.

@kino @dankmaximus

@koherecoWatchdog cops kill someone because of race every single day... with that said none of the incidents of violence i mentioned and witnessed had anything to do with cops killing anyone.

@kino

I am not sure I really agree with that at all. On almost every issue they tend to be on opposite sides... Can you name an issue where they are on the same side (and i dont mean in terms of the laws they passed but in terms of the opinions of the people on one side or the other).

@dankmaximus @zleap

@koherecoWatchdog Except they **are** the fascists, and they used violence and intimidation to get that end.. yes they are happy, but they also have now been emboldened that fascism works to get their way, there will be more of it in all liklihood.

@koherecoWatchdog I grew up in the USA and spent most of my life here, only started spending a lot of time int he netherlands in adult hood.

Arresting a literal neonazi who literally tried to murder minorities is not playing the fear card, nor is it anywhere on my list of concerns... None of my comments applied to cases such as that.

I've literally seen liberals these past four years beating people bloody int he street they disagreed with, I saw them use explosives (fireworks) against and old couple for wearing MAGA hats, I've seen them burn whole building to the ground as mothers with their babies stand in the street in tears screaming.... I've seen with my own eyes far more violence from the liberals than I care to recount, and yes, that makes me fearful of what they will do now that they seized power.

@zleap

The ideas from both sides are equally shit, so from a policy standpoint they are equally as bad yea.

From a "violence and intolerance" standpoint the republicans used to be worse but as of the last decade the democrats have slowly risen to the top and and I'd say over the past few years are the far more likely group to be fascist and violent.

@kino @dankmaximus

@kino

If we dont consider the lives lost and all that we could probably use a good revolution over here to be honest... one that diminishes both sides.

@dankmaximus @zleap

@dankmaximus

That sucks, though frankly I am more scared about how the USA plays out right now... though im not sure what to think of the riots in the netherlands... they sound more isolated.

@lucifargundam

@lucifargundam yea there are certainly dangerous radicals on both sides... It feels like 95% - 97% of liberals/democrats are radicalized and something like 5% - 25% of republicans. But the republicans are more heavily armed and I suspect the rest of the republicans will quickly take up arms should the other radicals on both sides actually start a civil war.

@koherecoWatchdog I am not particularly scared of the republicans initiating anything, nor am I too worried about anything to do with the trump impeachment directly.. They are mostly idiots and mostly harmless, if they do anything it will be more reactionary once violence picks up than to initiate I'd imagine, hard to say they might initiate, but not my main fear.

My fear is entirely from biden and the democrats and liberals in the USA right now.. see my post here as an explanation:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/105641045021192122

@dankmaximus Well the whole situation is largely provoked by biden being elected, so those arent separate things.

We had 4 years of democrats (or at least anti-republicans) burning down buildings, rioting, causing violence, being completely unwilling to engage in conversations, essentially following their politicial ideology like religious extremists. This seemed to be the vast majority of US democrats and liberals. Now dont get me wrong the right and the GOP can and often is absolutely absurd too and exhibits many of those properties. But its a smaller percentage and most of them are less aggressive about it.

After four years of that behavior they had the behavior reinforced by winning an election, this obviously added volatility on the right to be more likely to aggressively defend against that violence and perhaps initiate their own, but it also emboldened the left to the effectiveness of that violence.

Couple that with the mass arrests from the biden administration (not even just limited to the capitol hill incident. The complete exaggeration and continued dishonest of the media (in the form of propaganda at this point) and other patterns that it smells a hell of a lot like how things played out during the Reichstag fire and the events that followed in Nazi germany that the Nazis used to take power using fear and intimidation.

So my fear is that it will play out in a similar fashion

@zleap rather than to answer on your thread ill answer here since my answer is mostly the same... no as far as I know there are no significant protests planned, my concern is more the above.

I just stocked up on a TON of ammo for my AR-15.. lets hope I never have to use it in self defense but after Biden took over as president and the series of events I am seeing unfold it worries me just enough to be prepared just in case. I still think it is unlikely to devolve to that point, but the Biden arrests and the misinformation in the media feels a bit too scary for me to at least not prepare.

If things do get bad enough that a nazi-like environment fully develops it will be far too late to get ammo by the time that is evident. So seems prudent to stock up now just in case.

Im basically just buying boxes of NATO 5.56 in various type. Hell if things calm down and get better at least ill have plenty of ammo for the range.

This is the first time I ever felt any real need to stock up on ammo in case of emergency, thats sad. But with the first segregationist is living history as president who already promised a healthy dose of fascism before even winning the election it is dangerous times out there.

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