🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@pthenq1

Lets make this clear.. .if someone is schizofrenic or a psychopath, and goes to a psychiatrist asking for help with their condition, and the psychiatrist evaluates them and identifies them as a psychopath and agrees to help treat them... should this cause the psychopath to loose their right to guns or not?

If not, how do you even propose psychopaths be identified by this "background check" of yours?

@icedquinn

@pthenq1

I know what they are but you havent addressed the problem.. You are suggesting a system where my friend who was schizofrenic should have continued to hide his condition and avoid a psychiatrist to retain his rights, something he did successfully for years, making him far more of a risk than a medicated person with their rights in tacts and condition treated.

@icedquinn

@icedquinn

Psychopaths are also neurotic.. he is using the terminology wrong. Psychopaths do not expiernce delusion or hallucination and therefore would be a neurotic.

@pthenq1

@pthenq1

My friend has schizofrenia, therefore is not neurotic. He goes tot he therapist for treatment... so your statement makes no sense that only neurotics go to therapists.

My friend with schizophrenia would literally have been forced not to go to a psychiatrist when he suspect he was developing the disease for fear he would loose his right to self protection. He would have been forced to try to hide his disorder at all costs rather than seek treatment as he did.

Moreover, they can and often are treated. Medication can eliminate their hallucinations, so your argument they cant be treated is also false.

@icedquinn

@pthenq1

So you are back to the idea that you penalize people who think they have a mental condition and seek psychiatric help by perminantly taking away their right to guns for life.. and you think this is a good idea.

All your doing is creating a situation where people with mental disorders need to hide it at all costs and never seek help or a psychiatrist for it because they dont want to loose their right to self protection...

It is a horrific idea and im not sure why you dont get that.

@smithy @icedquinn

@pthenq1

So a psychotic o psychopath who wants to get help.. only they will be forced not to get help?

And schizophrenics who hallucinate people that arent there, them your cool having guns?

@icedquinn

@pthenq1

You still havent addressed the fundamental concern.. you are proposing a situation where if a person goes to a therapist to get treatment they automatically forfeit part of their rights, for life.. so you are effectively discouraging people from going to psychiatrists. Sounds like a pretty shitty solution that will cause way more harm than good.

@icedquinn

@mystik

When he said bears I think he mean big hairy gay men.

@pthenq1

@pthenq1

you just ignored all the concerns raised and reiterated your point... so your basically telling people that if they are found to have a condition they loose rights and thus are punished for seeking medical treatment if they feel they have a mental disorder... worst suggestion ive ever heard.

@icedquinn

@pthenq1

There are two things you can mean by that.. banning it for people who were commited against their will by commiting a crime, those people are already banned from having guns..

Or your suggesting the right to bare arms should be revoked for anyone who voluntarily chooses to go to a psychiatrist and has been treated?

The second one is the only one where they can currently get tguns.. but it makes no sense. There is no public registry where people who seek psychiatric treatment on their own get registered and publicly can be "pinged" in a check... so your suggesting something quite obscene, that if I decide to call a psychiatrist and seek help then I will get on a public registry where gun shops can look me up, and my rights become revoked...

For one having a public registry where people are punished for seeking mental health is beyond a horrible idea, doubly so if the consequence is to loose your fundemental rights.

Do you really think anyone who is struggling with a mental disorder who feels they need to see a psychiatrist is going to do it if the law states that should they go to get treated they forfit a basic right for the rest of their life?

God what a horrible idea.

@icedquinn

@pthenq1

not sure how you can do "more" background checks.. they already do background checks on all the shit a background check can cover (criminal past, parking tickets, outstanding debt)... what are they proposing to check my background twice? lol

@icedquinn

@icedquinn

Well true, that too.

@pthenq1

@icedquinn

If they actually played by the rules they would just make a new amendment, legal, no problem.. oh wait.. they cant get the votes! So instead they try to erode it in other ways.

@pthenq1

@icedquinn

Yup, they can only prevent people buying new ones, or the making of new ones... freedom baby!

@pthenq1

@devharts just post as much as you can and youll be swimming with followers in no time. We have one of the most federated servers here so you pick up followers rather fast.

@pthenq1 kill them with lonliness, I like your style :)

@pthenq1 you should, its a wonderful sport, lots of fun, and no reason not to really.

@pthenq1 Also an AR-15 and pretty much any other semi-automatic would be useless against bears. You'd use a slugged shotgun for that or some other single-shot style weapon most likely.

@pthenq1 Nope, not how it works in america. Automatic weapons were made illegal in the 70's but since they were legally bought they can only block you from buying new ones, cant take back what you already have.. thats why everyone who owned automatic weapons before the ban in the 70's now still legally has them. You can even buy automatic weapons but only ones that were in circulation before the ban. So they cost HUGE amounts of money and illegal to buy new but legal to sell the old ones.

In short, if they become illegal my 5,000$ AR-15 will be worth 50,000$ .. and I cant buy anymore but can sell or keep what I have.. So if anything **more** of an incentive to buy them.

@devharts oh nice a fellow programmer playing with some gamedev (mine is just text based)... welcome! awesome to have you