Yup you are still missing something.
When you synchronize the clocks and then separate them the act of separating them causes time dilation to occur on the clocks and thus desynchronizes them. Time dilation itself is dependent on the speed of light so if the speed of light is different in different directions then so too will be the effects of time dilation.
So if you synchronize the clocks first and separate them they will be out of sync and you will be unable to compensate for how much out sync they are at any one moment without knowing the extent of the speed of light asymmetry int he first place..
So with your proposed solution of synching the clocks first you haven't, as you can see, avoided the problem at all since the act of moving them breaks synchronization. And your lorentz transformation depends and requires symmetric values of C or to know the specific asymmetry up front to do the synchronization. So you are still shit out of luck :)
@pamela To me this is just an extension of instances that dont have a transparent and public facing block list. They tend to aggressive block instances that federate with other distasteful instances, and then they themselves hide their own block list so they dont wind up on the receiving end of that. I roll my eyes everytime i see that.
@icedquinn same shit with UPS... "click here to view your delivery on a map"... "sure, here is my address, name, sms, and a blood and urine sample, now show me that map"... "Sorry this delivery doesnt have a map"
@arteteco Congrats man!!!! You earned it.
@Meachamus_Prime I mean I am heavily biased against CAN/EU health system for the same reason. Their abysmal wait times caused me to sustain permanent injury... But I can still be objective about it and recognize the US system sucks too just in different ways. All healthcare around the world sucks really.
I am inspired today, once again, by the idea of duality and its fundemental role in our physical reality, from electrical duals, to quantum duals, to the round trip of light (earlier post) and so on...
The more time goes by and the more I think of the world as an expression of Duals (the formal term) the more I realize that duality itself may be the unifying property of the universe that all things emerge from.
I cant help but think that duality is a profound insight of the universe, but I havent quite connected the dots yet... All I know is everything we talk about seems to be only valid in duals and becomes unknowable when we try to seperate those duals in some way...
I am going to call it "The Iron Curtain of Duality"... but I feel like I need to invest time thinking about this, something is there.
@stux actually such technology does exist and there are watches on the market that charge by this very principle.
What really amazes me about this is that the detection of symmetry may be fundamentally impossible and feels a hell of a lot like heisenberg uncertainty principle in the sense that. In fact the universe seems to have some fundamental duality of pairings that can not be measured or observed separately. Almost as if the universe doesn't make sense except as a network of duals... and I cant help but feel there is something profound to be learned from this pattern.
@Meachamus_Prime could be, stopped following him once he went off the rails. So yea cant speak for where he is at now. I saw him post on twitter on a tilt table about how they dont have any medical technology close to this in canada.. which they do, its a tilt table, they have that everywhere.. so didn't really engender renewed confidence in him.
Yes you are misunderstanding the fundemental problem.. if you do this experiment as you propose it would require both sensors to have synchronized clocks with very high accuracy correct? Synchronizing the clocks would be impossible if the speed of light is asymmetrical without knowing what that asymmetry is ahead of time. Worse yet, the error in synchronizing those clocks due to the asymmetry would be exactly enough to cause the experiment to incorrectly show that the speed of light is the same in both directions.
Ergo, your experiment would not be able to detect asymmetry in the speed of light if it existed.
@freemo @Science This is not correct according to my understanding of physics. Specifically addressing the claim that it is not testable: you could have distance separated sensors send light to each other and see how long it takes. If it takes longer in one direction than the other than the theory that the speed of light is constant would be falsified. Maybe I'm not understanding something, but I believe your claim is false. If I am missing something I'd love to know what.
Yes you are misunderstanding the fundemental problem.. if you do this experiment as you propose it would require both sensors to have synchronized clocks with very high accuracy correct? Synchronizing the clocks would be impossible if the speed of light is asymmetrical without knowing what that asymmetry is ahead of time. Worse yet, the error in synchronizing those clocks due to the asymmetry would be exactly enough to cause the experiment to incorrectly show that the speed of light is the same in both directions.
Ergo, your experiment would not be able to detect asymmetry in the speed of light if it existed.
@Meachamus_Prime I liked him pre-trump.. dude went off the rails once Trump got elected and facts went out the window.
**Interesting fact of the day**: The speed of light has only been proven to be a constant speed **round trip**. Not the instantaneous speed of light nor the speed of light while heading in a single direction has ever been able to be proven as constant.
In other words, it has never been experimentally disproved that light doesn't, for example, preferentially travel at half the speed of light in one orientation, but instantaneous in another. In fact it may very well be impossible to test the one-way speed of light due to the very consequences of relativity itself.
@ScumbagDog I just cooked octopus and it smelled just like the ocean... i really just need octopus incense
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