🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@trinsec

Is there really?

@soundwave

@alexey The idea that selective breeding is GMO is just some marketing nonsense for people who support GMO. Dont get me wrong I am all for GMO, but they cant be even remotely compared as the same thing.

If you inject a specific gene that you engineered in a lab that in no way resembles any gene native in the species of plant or plants it can breed with, then ability to be able to produce that same gene through natural selection would be, in many cases, virtually impossible. So impossible that even if you started breeding when the first human popped out of a chimps belly, until today, you still wouldnt have produced the injected gene or anything that comes close to it.

Moreover even if you could breed the same gene or trait into an organism, which is occasionally possible as a generality, you wind up modifying other genes in the process as the plant tries to compensate its various needs to optimize for the new trait, this often means loosing other traits of interest to us. In other words through breeding we dont have enough control to ensure we, however slowly, modify only a signle gene and preserve all the others.

In reality though breeding is 99.9% phenotype selection and only maybe once a generation you get an actual gene mutation itself, and what that mutation happens to be will be fairly random and in the overwhelming majority of times will tend to shut down some trait rather than adding a new useful trait. Naval oranges is an example of an actual gene mutation for example (not generational breeding of phenotypes but an actual mutation), and its effect was basically to destroy the plants trait of producing seeds. For us that happened to be a good mutation. But the point is not only are mutations particularly rare but in the case of resistance to pesticides or other desired traits its far more likely to result in destroying a plants resistance to something than to impart new resistance.

@swiley While that is a reasonable take the thing is, it isnt resistant to nastier herbicides but made resistant to the herbicides farmers already use.

Glyphosate is the most common GMO resistance built into plants, it is also the most common herbicide used world wide on both GMO and non-GMO plants. The end result is GMO plants tend to grow healthier and larger in the already present herbicide, but you arent getting exposed to any new herbicides.

More importantly though, if you understand how Glyphosate resistance works you'd actually realize GMO's result in you getting considerably **less** Glyphosate not more. Glyphosate resistant plants are modified to have a special enzyme which breaks down Glyphosate and thus is unable to inhibit the pathways since it never builds up in the plant in the first place. Moreover that enzyme will continue to work even after the plant is cut and on the shelf and stops taking up new Glyphosate.

All that means a GMO plant has very little Glyphosate in its system by the time you get it, and you will consume far less of it. A regular plant however will still contain its Glyphosate and will deliver a much larger dose to you.

@SEEK I dont even know why npm bothers with dependency management. They might as well download the entire universe every time. Would probably save some space overall since you wouldnt need a file listing dependencies taking up extra space :)

@olamundo GMO therapists need to be a thing :)

@olamundo yes but after the first session therapists keep refusing to take my calls

@olamundo Thats where gmo comes in, I want my veggies genetically modified to suffer.

@olamundo Nah I want my food to suffer at least as much as I do.

Fuck non-gmo food, I want someone to make a piece of broccoli they genetically modified into a cow. I'm 100% on the GMO bandwagon.. also I want my bread to be double gluten.

@aetios

That is equally effective.

@thegibson @stux

@aetios

Well safety procedures should be observed, when you hear screaming turn it off until the screaming subsides.

@thegibson @stux

@stux

make one, if you cant be arsed just cut a hole in the side of a microwave oven and point it at them on high :)

@thegibson

@louiscouture I kind of agree when we talk about Americans.. thing is in europe I'd say thats largely not true. They arent super smart or anything, but they are reasonable enough that it really shouldnt require force.

Even americans not too long ago were ok, but now they have gotten so damn stupid they are self destructive. Problem is if you do force them to do whats "right" the person determining what is right tends to be just as idiotic as they are.

@MutoShack unfollow ;)

@thegibson @stux

You guys are going about it all wrong (unless they have a crazy insecure and old router)... radio jamming is the way to go.

@soundwave You think he was mortal enemies with the earth bisons? :)

Waiter: "That dish is ground bison on top of pasta, with a red sauce."

Me: "Does the existence of ground bison imply there is some sort of air bison as well? Are the air and ground bisons mortal enemies? Do you have any dishes with air bison?"

Waiter: ::puzzled look::

@chk42

I use IRC as well, I have one of the older registered nicks on freenode :)

@cwebber

@nik

I've heard about a dozen say it or some form of it.. for example "Anyone who doesnt wear a mask shouldnt be allowed to use healthcare"

@r000t @Moon