🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@mcread Now your changing the subject. You are no longer arguing if the fetus had bodily autonomy, your aruging if it has the right to require another person to give up their bodily autonomy to sustain its life.. which is a fine argument to have, but youve proven my point that its not about granting bodily autonomy.

If someone who is on the verge of death hooks themselves up to me to sustain their life, violating my bodily autonomy, I have a right to sever that connection and assert my bodily autonomy. That is, if we are only considering the bodily autonomy aspect. The fact that the other person is or will die as a result of that doesnt change things.

If you want to invoke the immorality of the act you would have to use an argument which goes beyond bodily autonomy (and there are such arguments), but you have failed to do so.

@snowkeld

Just because youa re too inept to be able to do the research needed to see the mountains of evidence that proves its real doesnt make it so.. your conclusion there shouldnt be "well i guess its not real".. it should be "Well I guess I have no idea what I'm doing and have no fricking clue how to research this topic and should go humbly ask for some help"

@Coyote @akeno

@mcread just because he was never old enough to assert his/her bodily autonomy doesnt mean he is denied bodily autonomy.

At no point did someone go to the baby and stop it from doing something with its body it was trying to do.

You are trying to twist a word into meaning something it doesn't, and your making a horrible argument in the process. Which is a shame because I dont really believe in extremely permissive abortions (I only think they should be legal in the first month or two before the baby forms neurons). You could make an argument that abortion is immoral that I'd likely agree with but the way your trying to argue it completely fails.

@mur2501 You are a sage among men my friend.

@mur2501 Only if naked women with perky titties are the ones doing the math, then yes, math is my porn.

@mcread He still has bodily autonomy, he can do whatever he wants with his own body, he just cant force anyone else to loose the right over their body. The fact that he is about to die doesnt mean he doesnt have bodily autonomy, people die all the time despite having bodily autonomy.

@stephen

Same except corporate work.

@mur2501

@mcread this is so confusing.. not sure what side they are implying is fascist.. normally "bodily autonomy" refers to the right to have an abortion, which is left, but firearm freedom is right...

@mur2501 hahaha you really going to make me do math in the morning arent you :)

@falgn0n

I just woke up.. give me an hour or two to start caring about life again and ill try to dig it up for ya.

@akeno @Coyote

@Coyote @icedquinn @nanook @Atlas_Khan @Genen

I'm off to bed, you guys can go back to shit posting now. Good chat

@icedquinn

Thats the claim. Havent seen any good studies to confirm it yet, but seems reasonable.

@nanook @Atlas_Khan @Genen @Coyote

Holy crap, close call lightening strike and my 50 some foot antenna on my roof definately felt that, heard it crackle.

@Coyote

hahah for reals

@icedquinn @nanook @Atlas_Khan @Genen