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@buttered_poasties He was literally told by his fellow officer, someone trained in taking a pulse, that the man was dead without a heart beat and asked chauvin to get off him so he could help. Chauvin refused and for almost 3 minutes continued to sit on his chest even after he was dead...

Yea he did something wrong, and yes thats murder

@Nudhul

I could have swore your first comments on the thread were personal attacks, but now I cant find it. So I may have mistaken you for someone else. If that is the case then your right, and I apologize the personal attack was not deserved

@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@dec05eba

No I covered this in an earlier thread where I cited official medical documents indicating therapeutic blood levels of fentanyl and the autopsy report and have shown before that while his levels are high they are within the range for people prescribed the drug at the higher end of dosage.

While it is true it would have the potential to kill someone if it was their first time taking the drug for people prescribed it to manage pain for years on end the dosage and blood levels found are not uncommon.

@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@Nudhul

The legal definition is clear, and courts have for a very long time interpreted it exactly as I stated. You have offered no counter evidence from a legal standpoint, just a constant stream of childish insults. So yes i have the right.

@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@EmbraceTheGray@social.privacytools.io That incident hurt more than it helped I agree. It is the reason why there is some potential for an appeal, without there there likely would have been no potential for appeal. However according to most lawyers, and the judge they feel that the possibility of appeal over that is fairly small but non-zero.

Sinc eim not a lawyer i really cant say if that is enough to result in appeal, but ethically speaking I dont think it should effect the case since the jurors were already obligated not to watch the news so i thad no effect on the results of the case anyway.

@dec05eba

No one has any clue if he died of a fetanyl over dose. His blood levels of fetanyl were high but consistent with what people would have int heir blood who are prescribed it, and they dont die. so that thats a huge leap

But i also dont care what killed him, what matters is the that a police office after being told the guy had no pulse instead of making any attempt to save him (and he wasnt in any immediate danger) he instead continued to sit on his chest for several minutes after he died.. he knew he was killing him and continued anyway. What actually killed him doesnt matter because he clearly wanted him dead and were taking actions to ensure he died.

@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@EmbraceTheGray@social.privacytools.io
Its unlikely but possible from what i hear from lawyers.. it would be injustice.

@dec05eba

Except that isnt what happened the crowd was not being aggressive and no once he is dead you dont sit on him thats just stupid to say that. Its also important to note that while he resisted arrested he didnt once punch kick or bite an officer or in any way attack them, not once.

@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@NotImportant

They know because the other officer took his pulse and said he didnt and after that chauvin stayed on him

@ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@NotImportant
The cops were trained in cpr and shoukd have given it themselves, so in part i agree. But the point is thry knew he was dead and made no attempt to save his life despite having multiple tools (including their own cpr training) to do so

@ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@dec05eba do they akso tell you when someone trained in taking a pulse tells you the person doesnt have a pulse you should continue to use it?

@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@coolboymew
Wrong, cops are explicitly trained in cpr and expected to perform it for exactly this reason. They are also trained in how to take someones pulse.. it was obvious to everyone there thr guy was dead and needed immediate help, trained cops and a trained nurse all offered to help but instead he sat on top of a dude with no pulse for several minutes and prevents other cops and a nurse from helping..

Your argument has absolutely no leg to stand on.

@dec05eba @ChristiJunior

@dec05eba
Being told someone has no pulse a d isnt breathing and then moving your knee away from his neck and onto his chest is still guilty as sin. Anything short of not immediately starting chest compressions (or letting the nurse on scene who offered to do chest compressions) is a clear intent to kill the man.

He was dead and actively stopped prople from trying to save him, thats clear intent.
@ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@coolboymew
Pretty sure keeping your knee on someones neck several minutes after you are told he has no pulse is the exact opposite of a weak argument.
@dec05eba @ChristiJunior

@dec05eba
Incorrect. As i said after cops indicated they could not find a pulse he continued to sit on his neck for several more minutes. Moreover chauvin never asked anyone to call an ambulance, his colleagues did that, the same ones who looked for a pulse and couldnt find one while chauvin refused to get off him.

@ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@dec05eba

While im not by a computer yet to fi d you the video clip showing the cops indicating there was no pulse, here is a quote from a news source backing up what i said:

Both Floyd and those in a growing crowd pleaded for his life, but “for over four and a half of those minutes, Floyd was silent,” according to the court document. “For at least three of those minutes, Floyd appeared not to be breathing. And for at least two and a half minutes, the officers were unable to locate Floyd’s pulse.

https://m.startribune.com/prosecutor-ex-officers-pinned-george-floyd-for-91-2-minutes-including-after-they-couldn-t-find-pulse/572731391/

@ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@dec05eba
Then your watching the wrong video. In court the video shown clearly had the officer checking for a pulse and not finding any. Ill dig it up for you when im by my comouter.
@ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@Nudhul
I mean the legal definition is rather clear. I just cant make you not stupid so you can understand.
@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@Nudhul
I doubt you would thing anything disproves your point honestly.
@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew

@Nudhul

Incorrect, the legal definition of negligence makes no assumptions about i tent. This is the legal definition:

A failure to behave with the level of care that someone of ordinary prudence would have exercised under the same circumstances. The behavior usually consists of actions, but can also consist of omissions when there is some duty to act (e.g., a duty to help victims of one's previous conduct).

@Bubbul @ChristiJunior @coolboymew