🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@tripu I think i missed it, though that doesnt mean I dont get them.

LOL

Today is the anniversary of the Kent State shootings, or more appropriately the "May 4th Massacre". In the wake of recent events and our consideration of gun control laws I think this day deserves a great deal of reflection. Four Americans were murdered, and nine more wounded, by our own national guard simply for participating in an anti-war demonstration. If we want to consider limiting access to guns on american soil lets start with our own national guard and police, not our citizens. The last thing I want to see is an unarmed populace needing to deal with a well-armed police and military force. Lets focus on securing the rights of the citizen, not giving them up

#KentState #Gun #guns #2A #GunControl

@Pat

> (I just posted several studies on mask effectiveness)

You will notice those studies dont actually address the concerns I pointed out. In the case where they evaluate the general population they study the effectiveness of social distancing and mask wearing and even disinfecting together, not individually. Social Distancing obviously works as would disinfecting so it is very possible the mask wearing is not effecting the situation at all or potentially making matters worse. So none of those studies are actually demonstrating effectiveness of mask wearing.

There is the study you posting of a single hair salon, but that sample size is far too small to even be considered so we wont even address that one.

> My point of all of this isn't which is more effective. The point is that not wearing a mask is a lethal assault and should be treated as such.

Yes I know that is your point, your wrong and I explained why, but I know it is your point.

> And yes I do wear a N100/P100 respirator when I'm around people in public and when someone approaches me without a mask I treat that as a lethal threat and yes I've gotten into a physical altercation with someone who tried to assault me in that manner.

So your a dude who goes around punching people in the face for not doing what you ask of them, something which is questionable and might bring greater harm to them or not help at all, at the very least it is grossly unnecessary... not very mature. Thats like punching someone in the face for having children on the grounds that children increase the carbon footprint and thus hastens society to our death. You'd look like a lunatic, and rightfully so.

> And I've consulted law enforcement on the issue and their recommendation is just as I said:
>
>1) Tell the person to stop.
2) If they continue to advance, flee the area and call 911.
3) If you can't escape, then treat it as a lethal threat and use no more force than necessary to defend yourself.

Yes of course you have every right to nicely ask someone to wear a mask and if they say "No thanks bro" you can run away and call 911 to which they will respond "Thats cool bro" and do nothing (and legally cant do anything).. and yes someone must give you the right to run away, they cant forcibly pin you down and stop you, and if they do sure, punch them, mask or no mask.

@Pat

1) yes it can and thus why it may be advantageous not to wear masks at all. But the point is if you beleive this to be wrong and believe masks are helping you can wear a full ace mask and therefore be protected far better than requiring others to wear masks

2) pretty much same response as before, if masks are at all effective then wearing a full face mask is far more effective than requiring others to wear masks. So the point is your argument fails no matter what assumptions you start with.

@Pat No that doesnt line up with the facts..

1) We do not know the effectiveness of masks in terms of if the way the average citizen uses them if it provides more of a benefit or detriment. As I covered in the past a large majority of people wearing masks engage in several behaviors that may very well put them at more risk than not wearing a mask at all. A prime example is pulling it down to the chin to take a sip of water, or adjusting it by grabbing with the thumb inside the mask. Both would cause the virus to coat the inside of the mask if it is on your chin or thumb. As such there is a very real possiblity mask wearing by the general public has increased the spread of the virus.

2) No that makes no sense either.. a full face mask protects you with no risk and to a much greater extent than requiring others to wear a mask (presuming face masks work and are used properly). abullet proof vest does not, if you get shot you still get injured and may even die, it just protects you in some cases. You can be shot in the head, or even if shot in the vest you can (and often will) have broken bones and bruises. This is not at all equivalent to someone wearing a full face mask and therefore in **less** danger than requiring others to wear masks.

@jimmysong thats a weak argument, property rights has never meant you are guaranteed there wont be more of some thing you buy. Even if you have property in the form of gold you'd sound like a nutter to claim people cant mine more gold.

lol

@deesapoetra How does that matter? The clock isnt important, you can use anything to keep time you'd like, the effect is the same.

@deesapoetra

Atomic clocks are a fairly accurate measure of time, more precise than any clock we have, they show time dilation. It also doesnt require anything to move. time dialation happens between something stationary but closer or farther from a planet. For example if you take an atomic clock and put one in a valley and the other on the top of a mountain they will tick at different and predictable rates according to time dialation.

Second, no freezing something to absolute zero wouldnt prevent time dilation , in fact temperature doesnt have an effect on it at all. For example you could see observe time slowing down by chilling radioactive material to near absolute zero and observing its half life, which will speed up or slow down according to the time dilation.

@deesapoetra well, you'd need some pretty advanced math to fully understand relativity. You could probably get through special relativity with just basic math, but not general.

@deesapoetra

Time Dialation is dictated by general and special relativity. We know perfectly well how to measure time acurately without the measurement device slowing down, its not the measurement device slowing down, time is slowing down. So it is measuring the actual time.

Your misconception seems to be in the idea that there is one correct time that is the same across all frames of reference, there is not. Its no different than the fact that there is no privileged velocity and no absolute idea of "stationary" either.

@zpartacoos

@Pat The problem with the logic here is two fold.

1) the difference chance of someone being harmed by not wearing a mask compared to with a mask is very low, and could even increase risk (for several reasons I covered in the past) we dont have good data to know.

2) Assuming barrier protection works you are capable of 100% protecting yourself without the need to compel others to wear a mask. There are several options of full face shields + masks that would completely protect you.

It seems amoral to compel another person to take dubious actions to protect you when you are fully capable of doing it yourself.

@zpartacoos

I'll take a shot...so a few misconceptions here. First off you talk about traveling back in time, that isnt related to time dilation, that only slows time.. time travel on the other hand is far more theoretical and would require things to be true that go well beyond simple general relativity.

That said im not sure why you would say general relativity is bs the precision of time isnt the issue, if time dilation is great enough it would have an effect on even impercise time keeping devices.

@deesapoetra

@dyvulgativa No we dont block anyone, but that service does excessively block other instances, so they likely have us blocked.

Use this for a bridge: https://moa.party/

@matrix