🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@mcduquesne

History of success and insight.. If you have made predictions on the topic in the past that are novel and have proven to be true by repeated application, or generally new insights or models, then your track record demonstrates you are an expert.

As with most things the proof is simply that you demonstrated it.

Einstein wasnt considered an expert until his theories actually turned out to be true, now today we see him as an expert. Few people think of him as an expert because of the degree he held, hell, most people dont even know what degree he held.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @crunklord420 @commandlinekid

@mcduquesne

Yes, it is. The majority of humans do happen to be idiots.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid

@mcduquesne

> A belief that those who know nothing about an issue should put preference into the opinions of credentialed individuals over the uncredentialled seems

Except I never said that.. I intentionally used the word "experts"... an expert is someone who has deep knowledge in something, it is entirely independent of if they have a credential demonstrating that expertise or not.

What I find telling, however, is that despite the fact that I never made even the slightest reference to credentials, instead using the word "expert" explicitly to include those without credentials in both your mind and Crunk's you appear to equate being an "expert" with being synonymous with "having credentials"... which is the very thing your trying to argue people shouldnt do, trying to argue I am doing even when I'm not.

You are literally doing the very thing you are trying to accuse me of, at least, subconsciously.

P.S. I also pointed out if one lacks the expertise themselves they should simply opt to not have an opinion. You seemed to miss that part...

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @crunklord420 @commandlinekid

@commandlinekid

Muting the conversations huh... looks like your mute button is broken.

@anonymoose @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

@mcduquesne

No one, not even scientists, claim you should just blindly follow polls or consensus.

Obviously if you lack any expertise following the majority of those with expertise is really your only option short of simply not-having an opinion. But admiting your not smart enough to be able to form a useful opinion is a pretty wise thing to do.

Once you have expertise however the polls and consensus tell you where to look first, evaluate the studies and their strong and weak points, and form your own educated opinion. If you dont think the most popular interpritation is true via consensus then look at the next most popular. It provides a way to say "wow if everyone thinks this is legit maybe i should read it over and consider it"

But again, the vast majority of people arent experts able to evaluate or research anything. So in that case, unless your just a conspiracy theorist spewing nonsense, your likely not going to form a strong opinion at all and merely lean towards majority as the most likely due to lack of any other legitimate information.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid

@crunklord420

Nope, you just continually hallucinate that I am talking about credentials everytime I mention "expertise" instead.. I correct you every time, but your not too bright on the up-take.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid @mcduquesne

@crunklord420

No one said anything about education or credentials... You always seem to hear things that were never said in these conversations.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid @mcduquesne

@mcduquesne

> "You need to do the research yourself"

Yes this is true.. **if** you are an expert who has years and years of study intimately on the subject so you are at all **capable** of doing the research.

Sadly most people who have "done their own research" dont just lack expertise, they dont even seem to understand the language of the studies or what any of them are even saying.

So yea by all means become and expert on the subject, do your own research, and use that expertise to reject or accept it... But if what you mean is read what some other idiots who know as little as you do think about a subject and then come to your own conclusions.. well yea... no, thats just idiocy perpetuating idiocy. It is also the more common of the two approaches.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid

@anonymoose

Your first comment was actually of a similar nature of mine.. yes i simplified it to say billions of people drinking fluoridated water have not died, but this was meant to imply to the learned reader that more simply, we don't see death rates increasing when we start fluoridating water. My hope was the audience was bright enough to know what I meant.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid

@commandlinekid

You: It's settled, Its fact, I saw proof once somewhere but I wont share it, I know a smart person who agreed with me once, its settled...

Me: ::waits for actual evidence as he reviews the mountains of peer-reviewed proof that disagrees with him::

@anonymoose @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

@mcduquesne

Thats not entierly untrue, when you are proven expert on a topic and know far more about it than your average citizen then people are more likely to trust you. There are certainly cases where scientists have taken advantage of that trust. No one would claim a scientist is infallable.

The only difference is that there are far more non-scientists making absurd claims and just as willing to violate peoples trust, but because their idiots and not experts they just arent very successful.

In the end thats why you dont just evaluate a scientists expertise, but their track record as well. No one should suggest that you need to blindly accept anything any scientist tells you, but even less so should you trust some backwater hick trying to sell you nonsense either.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid

@anonymoose

> But what about the billions of people drank fluoride in their water and are now dead?

You mean the fact that aft4er fluoride is introduced into a water system fewer people die than before... what about it? If anything it proves the opposite point, that fluoride is good.

Fluoridation of water was discovered because they saw statistically there was a town where people were getting sick far less often (mostly less dental disease). Which often leads to death, in other words people were healthier and they didnt know why. They traced it to their water supply which was naturally fluoridated. So they started implementing it in water supplies around the world intentionally and people died less and were healthier. The exact opposite of what you suggest.

> FWIW, I always get floride at the dentist, but I looked into this a while ago, and a small percentage of people really do have adverse reactions to floride

Yes a very **very** small percentage of people do react badly to fluoride. This is why I generally support unfluoridated water in terms of public supply. But that is hardly an argument that its bad for your average person.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @commandlinekid

@commandlinekid

LLLAAAWWWLLLL

Scientist = "expert on a topic who has spent a life time studying it and understands it inside and out"....

Yea I can see why you would think scientists are the fraudsters... an expert on a topic makes it really hard to just make up random bullshit and have people buy it.

@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@linjaaho I have heard the claim that TI voyage is the same but a later model.. when I look at screenshots though the OS looks significantly different. Not sure if thats just the choice of screenshots though.

@commandlinekid

LOL oh wow, and now a debunked hoax website to "prove" your claims... cant argue with this nonsense.

@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@commandlinekid

LOL oh wow, and now a debunked hoax website to "prove" your claims... cant argue with this nonsense.

@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@commandlinekid

Oh right, your mythical "proof" that only you saw but is definitely proof... Sorry how dare I question proven things.

@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@commandlinekid

Yes I have no doubt you stand by your mythical non-existant proof that you have no intention of sharing but insist exists. Thats how conspiracy theorists operate.

@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@commandlinekid

Billions of people have been drinking flouride all their lives (it is in most public drinking water) and surprise surprise they are still alive.

@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@commandlinekid

You've helped no one.. you made some vague reference to some "proof" that confirms some conspiracy theory nonsense, and then conveniently set it up so it cant be scrutinized or debunked. You would have been more helpful saying nothing.

Now you assume the onus is on us to go find some vaguely referenced proof... conveniently if we cant find it because you made it up then it cant be falsified at all.

@realcaseyrollins @icedquinn