🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@INSTALLGENTOO

It means you as the user can choose to trust someone directly (as a reviewer or publisher or whatever).. or you can also choose groups of people to "meta-trust"... for example as a user I might decide I want to add 5 points of trust to anyone who has a PhD from MIT, or anyone that that Bill Nye thinks is cool.

Basically there can be curated lists of people and you can choose if you wish to trust those lists or not, even as they change. If you dont like it, then you dont have to trust lists at all and can just evaluate each person yourself.

@INSTALLGENTOO

Thats a big part of it.. people should be able to know

1) what peer-reviewers have either liked, or criticized in the paper.

2) what peer reviews were acted on and what changes were made

3) What the credentials, accomplishments, and past publications or peer-review the person has done

navigating this as an aggregated web of trust so users dont need to be knee deep in it would also be nice.

Also, never deleting a paper but at worst labeling it as debunked and showing the above reasons why.

The key is opening up the process both to reduce the friction for people who want to contribute, and to make the process transparent so any end user can judge the credibility from all the facts.

@zpartacoos The only thing I can say is that of that list Haskell is the only language I have found enjoyable. But thats more of a general comment than anything to do with your specific needs.

@GrassrootsReview decentralization is not "everyone can start a centralized and walled off community".. that isnt in any sense what decentralization is. For something to be decentralized there has to be some sense of interoperability and organization.

I really dont know why you insist that having more than one centralized entity is somehow equivalent to decentralization.

> or in some decentralized system contribute to the quality of the scientific literature less frequently, it is (initially) hard to judge whether you do it well. Bribes would thus be more effective.

Bribes are more likely, of course, if you dont have a reputation yet.. thats the whole point of a decentralized system specifically building reputations through webs of trust. It isnt until I've proven that i am not susceptible to bribes than my opinion and publications hold a high trust value in the first case.

@icedquinn Nice... mmo is my favorite type of game... though there are so few good ones anymore sadly.

@icedquinn thats cool. is it an mmo?

@GrassrootsReview

> That problem is solved by starting you own journal in the decentralized system we have.

It is not, starting my own journal would put me in charge, and the journal would not be "decentralized", like all journals it would be centralized (in this case me being the central point of authority for my journal).

The problem with centralized systems, such as journals, is that I am in control and can obscure whatever parts of the process I wish. If I happen to take a bribe (as rarely but occasionally happens) there are no good checks and balances to flush that out. I might get caught, I might not. Generally its not a huge issue with journals, but it has happened.

The distrust in science, which seems to come from across the political spectrum, doesnt come from no where. These centralized and closed processes create suspicion and ruin the communities trust in journals. The climate deniers are wrong in their denial of climate, but they are right regarding the lack of transparency and the power distribution that ultimately fuels their suspicion.

It isnt about quality of science so much as the transparency and the ability for individuals to have the means to judge that quality, which only comes when the system is open, both in terms of open access, and open processes.

@dielan yea i could easily verify it, i code solidity and am doing so right now... but without the Q image I dont have the "data" to verify if there is any truth to what their saying.

@dielan Oh i see, i mean it would be easy to verify all this if the image is still availible.

@icedquinn I'm not familiar with either... honestly aside from little bursts here and there I dont game that much (despite the fact that I have a gaming setup people seem to drool over).

@icedquinn oh nice, now you got me wanting to bust out my old one and installing some flight sim games or something... its been a LONG time