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@stux On the plus side, at least the first floor is safe from the fire :)

@mkultra

All rifle calibers are exempt.. if its a caliber for a rifle, and its armor piercing, its legal.

@sapphire @namark @trinsec

@sapphire

Oh if 308 is classified as a handgun caliber then yes, those would be illegal. It basically just cant be for a handgun and your good.

@namark @trinsec @mkultra

@mkultra

So seems they are perfectly legal to manufacture and sell AP bullets in any caliber so long as it isnt intended for a handgun. Rifles are wide open though.

@sapphire @namark @trinsec

@sapphire

They are perfectly legal to buy and sell, apparently you cant import them and to manufacture them you do need special licenses. But the sale itself is not restricted (just did a quick web search).

@namark @trinsec @mkultra

@mkultra

They can make new ones, at least as far as I know. Almost every gun shop I've bought bullets from, including in the last few weeks, stock them.

@sapphire @namark @trinsec

@namark

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@Godcast @sapphire @trinsec

@mkultra

they will get through a bit of kevlar at best.. and maybe not even that.. They are basically just slightly better at armor, but they are better.

@sapphire @Godcast @namark @trinsec

@sapphire

U have 2 or 3 magazines filled with steel-core ar-15 ammo right now. I also have some hollow points and FMJ.

@namark @trinsec @mkultra

@namark

You realize intentionally misinterptriting what I said doesnt make you look superior in a debate, it just makes you look like an idiot.

Its a small game gun, this is established fact in the hunting community. The fact that you are disputing this shows that you dont know the first thing about it or guns in general. I even stated for you the specific muzzle energy but your being intentionally obtuse as usual.

@sapphire @trinsec

@mkultra

Yup, all you need to do is pick a high-energy bullet and the barrel and firing mechanism to match.

@sapphire @namark @trinsec

@namark

You seem to be ignoring the point that we didnt just talk about internals in this thread. We pointed out several reasons why it is not remotely relevant as a military weapon and why it is a completely different weapon than the M-16:

* Significantly different firing mechanism
* No automatic fire
* lowest muzzle energy compared to almost any rifle on the market
* Other components do not make it significantly different from hunting rifles, the barrel is not particularly different nor anything about it.

@sapphire @trinsec

@sapphire

lol **one of** is the key word there.

Meanwhile here is a picture of one of the most powerful rifles one can buy. This one has a muzzle energy nearing 8K ft lbs and as such delivers 8x the power of an AR-15.

It is a 460 Weatherby magnum. Despite being 8X more capable and would actually be far more useful in war than an AR-15 could ever hope to be, you will never hear people complain about this gun.

@namark @trinsec

@sapphire

AR-15 is literally one of the lowest energy rifles you can even buy, but this guy thinks its a military weapon, lol. It had the one feature that made it remotely relevant to the military removed, it was specifically reengineered so as to be completely useless to the military or as a weapon of war.

@namark @trinsec

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