🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@meowski

The required list of AE that need to be reported for other vaccines is much smaller than the list for COViD (and a recent development). If you read the fax they list the events that are required to be reported for covid vaccines and its different from other vaccines due to it falling under rhe EUA

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski
The quote i already gave explicitly states it only applies to covid-19 under EUA

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

Are you just seeing what you want to.. It very clearly stated reporting adverse effects of COVID-19 is mandatory under the Emergency Use Authorization... What does the same format of a table have to do with anything.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

Did you even read the links you said.. It very clearly and explicitly stated at the link **you** sent that reporting had changed. Already replied here:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/106665882914520217

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

"they're using the same criteria as before".

The FAQ that you just linked literally says you are wrong and I am right.

From the link you provided:

"Healthcare providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination [under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)], and other adverse events if later revised by CDC:"

It clearly states that the reporting has significantly changed under the EUA and it is **now** required by law to report whereas before it was optional.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

The numbers are higher specifically because doctors are, for the first time in a long time, actually required to report to VARES even if they known an Adverse Event is unrelated to the vaccine.

So citing higher numbers says nothing, it is entierly expected given the law.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

LOL No they dont.. most doctors follow the law and report on VARES anything even remotely notable.

Also the law that requires them report to VARES even when there is no causality is **unique** to the COVID vaccine as such laws were instituted as part of the national emergency. As such it would ina nd of itself explain why the reporting increased.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

No, when doctors are required by law to report many events even when it is known that it was unrelated to the vaccine it is pretty extreme to say "few"... these laws have pretty wide swaths too.

In fact the vast majority of types of incidents in VARES would have been required by law to be reported by a doctor even if the doctor knew it wasnt caused by the vaccine...

It shows you havent worked with VARES data in the past, it doesnt work like you think it does.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

The law requires VARES reporting to a whole host of situations even when it is known that there is no cause effect.. So yes, it is well established VARES contains tons of reports not related causally to the vaccine.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

They are literally required by law to not follow what you just said.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

Patently false, in fact the public policy explicitly states this as false. They are required to report certain types of incidents even if they know it isnt caused by the vaccines (because that is needed for the data to be reliable)..

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

No its not, not even close. VARES is where you report any incident that has the **possibility** of being an adverse reaction.. It is not encouraged nor required that such incidents be verified as having a causal relationship. That is figured out after using the techniques I described already.

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@Gina The sort with rope is what Id be doing for sure. But I'd have to find someone to join me for that, and probably do some weight training first and loose some weight.