🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@kayden

I am not against the vaccine, but no that is completely unacceptable for countless reasons.

You would think we learned our lesson when private businesses started doing this with HIV way back in the day. Those with HIV were barred from jobs, and those deemed to be a high risk for catching HIV (gays mostly) were barred under the same reasoning.

The pattern we are seeing here is frighteningly similar.

It also means that indirectly you are effectively required to expose private medical information. Say you have cancer, or HIV and that is your reason for not getting the vaccine. Now you are in a position where you have to prove to your employer that you have a medical exemption and expose to your employer that you have a private disability and effectively loose your right to keeping your disability private... we long since learned our lessons as to why that is unacceptable and here we are, doing it again.

@icedquinn @bluejay

@kayden

Yes, that is the logic there.

@icedquinn @bluejay

@icedquinn

Thats actually fair, recruiters can be quite deceptive to get people on board... not to mention the people that tend to join the military arent usually particularly bright so I wouldnt be surprised if they dont know (even though it seems obvious to me)...

So I will concede that the recruiter does have an obligation to be more transparent and is not.

@bluejay

@icedquinn

The risks in a drug trial are still unknown. It also isnt on the 500th page of what a military personnel agrees to. They know up front when they sign on that they forfeit their freedoms including their right to decline vaccines.

@bluejay

@icedquinn it literallys is. That is why we can do druug tests without informing the patient whats in the drug. They agree to take the drug without knowing ahead of time what it is.

@bluejay

@icedquinn

They already gave consent when they signed up to the military.

@bluejay

@bluejay While generally I agree with you the military does not, and should not, have their free will. They forfeit that when they sign up. Its why they can put you in jail just for quiting the military (AWOL) without their permission.

You can have a fighting force entering a foreign country and being able to be wiped out simply from its native diseases. This is doubly true when you consider the close-nit nature of the military, disease would spread like wildfire.

@dubh

Ok, now your just wasting my time, so yea, mute. Bye, have a good day.

@augustus

@bluejay What data? Were you not aware that the military forces vaccines on all its members, including vaccines for all sorts of remote diseases we cant get? I mean there isnt much "data" needed to back that up, its fairly well known.

@dubh

Correct, not the topic you and I were discussing, it was the **original** topic. One I already stated earlier I have no interest in engaging in.

@augustus

@colonelj

No worries, I have no big issue with augustus. When i realized he was just shit posting I just muted it, no harm done.

@dubh @augustus

@dubh

Nice tactic trying to change the subject once you've been proven wrong with your little tantrum there about PhDs... time to mute this thread, your just wasting my time now.

@augustus

@dubh

I couldnt care less about what your opinion is on where COVID started, nor is that what I asked. Try again.

@augustus

@dubh

When did I claim that Augustus used the phrase "wet market". **I** used that phrase, I dont recall once claiming Augustus did... what are you even talking about?

@augustus

@dubh

No, I didnt.. feel free to point to any message where I explicitly stated a PhD alone was a credential.

What you probably did, as many have, is assume that when I say "experts" I meant PhD, which I never intend to mean.

I am very careful with my words and have never and would never claim a PhD is a credential on its own.

@augustus

@dubh

Here is me stating back in February the lack of value I put in a PhD, reiterating what I said here, that the value comes from ones accomplishments that demonstrates expertise and not from a degree:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/105795973297191928

Here I am again saying it a year ago:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/104734009103002934

@augustus

@augustus

For now the wet market theory is the strongest theory upheld by the genetic evidence. My opinion might change if new evidence is presented. But for now it is the most likely explanation.

@dubh

@dubh

Nope, I would never demand a PhD to qualify an argument. I do demand people citing people with expertise and a proven track record. But I have never equated that to a PhD. Again I have repeatidly pointed out in countless conversations that a degree is not a credential and holds no value.

@augustus

@dubh

Never once in my life have i demanded a credential from a school and quite the opposite, I have been vocal on several occasions that degrees from schools hold no value...

Nicer try though.

@augustus

@dubh

Ditto

@augustus