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@trinsec yea, the problem is most people really dont understand the topics they work with. But it may seem like it. A lot of people just repeat patterns and dont understand why those patterns exist. Teachers too. which is why when they teach they generally give you the pattern and ask you to memorize and repeat it.

@swiley Can't even SCUBA without a certification. Granted most people would probably die if they didnt get trained.. but fuck it, let em die.

@matrix if actual bugs had large chunks of meat that could be cleaned away from its organs and exoskeleton I'd probably be all about it too.

@swiley by that logic we havent been "free" for a few hundred years if ever. Licenses for cars alone would be a greater violation than vaccine passports.

That said I agree we have have never been free, and am against drivers licenses and vaccine passports, but I cant say the same for most people who are against the vaccine passports.

@mur2501 Nah it was too blurred. But now that you mentioned it I can grok it yea.

@johnabs

Did a quick search and the results seem to be the same as before, that the 12 step program performs about as well as no treatment at all. Image attached.

@zpartacoos @funny @lucifargundam

@johnabs

By the way, its been years since I did the research and dont still have it on hand. But at the time the numbers showed that the 12 step program is actually **less** effective than doing nothing (they have a worse recovery rate than the untreated drug addicts). Moreover psychiatric treatment is the most effective treatment.

So yes, I did consider the effectiveness of these programs in my hatred towards them.

@zpartacoos @funny @lucifargundam

@Berra They are usually pretty good about letting people in as far as I know.

@johnabs

No only organized religions are cults. Once it becomes an organized religion with an authority then it is a cult. Organized religions are generally predatory even if those acting in such a way think they are doing good.

@zpartacoos @funny @lucifargundam

@freemo where is the sequel

Computer scientists with a time machine:

Yo lemme tell you about this thing called Linux, privacy, and how to make them.

@johnabs

Because they are using their vulnerable state to induct them into what is effectively a cult (religion). That cult demands financial contributions and even encourages one donate time and effort to recruiting others.

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@johnabs @freemo @zpartacoos @funny

Programs like AA are heavy on the idea of talking about your problems that trigger you relapsing towards addiction. In addition to that, they ask that you try to 'let go' of the negative thoughts and feelings that lead one to resort to substance abuse. Trusting in the idea that your actions and burdens are subjective- that that of which exists outside of yourself has led you to where you are. Having faith in inevitable future good will give you strength to move foward with sobriety.

An example:
(Prayer of Serenity)
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

Another example:
Shoemaker wrote about the necessity of making daily surren-ders.Yes, the Sixth Step is also about surrendering, just like theThird. But Shoemaker made one point very clear: We surrenderas much of ourselves to as much of God as we understand.Inother words, our spiritual progress is based in direct proportion toour dropping the rock. We are very fortunate that all of our de-fects aren’t revealed to us all at once. Recovery works by givingus daily insight into what we can do to remove what blocks us.We need a daily awareness that our character defects are the op-posite of the principles of our Program.

Here's a link to some speeches:
rehab4addiction.co.uk/resource

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