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@voidabyss He is generally left leaning, but only so far as its popular with the left.. he will cave on a dime to anti-left agenda so long as it is popular to do so.

> Delisting QOTO from joinmastodon is messed up, but I don't think that proves that Eugen caves to NAZI's agenda.

He knew the Nazi's agenda, he knew it was having the intended effect, he caved to that agendas effect.. While he may of done it purely to be popular the truth is he DID cave to their agenda.

> The main reason I joined qoto is because I read somewhere that this instance don't defed from others, so I can reach and read from people all over the fediverse and not stay in one instance bubble. That all I care about and I think what most people do. The second reason is that this instance is stable no downtime and my data is safe and secure. This by itself is amazing and great accomplishment, people don't give credit enough to the sysadmin work.

Thank you, I'd say these are true

> Let's get back to science article posting and let the activist (let and right) scream into the the void abyss. (pun intended)

The drama is over at this point, now we are working on a solution... we are working to build a "United Federation of Instances" with the intent of addressing this issue for QOTO and other instances in the future.

@Romaq

The issue is that UFI isnt availible as a website, UFoI.org however we own.

@timezoneless

@frankiesaxx Thanks.. the idea is to make defederation evidence based rather than rumor based... it wont be a "court" for any instance outside of the federation. It will only govern the members who elect to join.

# United Federation of Instances Proposal

gitlab.com/ufoi/constitution

I tagged below everyone who asked me to tag them. I have now started a gitlab group and project where we can discuss the proposal transparently and with a good recorded history.

Please start discussions by creating issues, and any edits you have to the proposal please edit on gitlab and submit as a merge request, which can then be discussed.

I will write the CI code to make sure the document gets compiled.

I will try to leave the mass-message like here just to the major developments as it feels a bit spammy. I will only send out one more notification once the by laws draft is up. Of course if anyone does not want to get notified let me know and ill leave you off from future discussions.

@timezoneless @floppy @ufi @ufoi @skanman @john @stevenclyman @robryk @ejg @dashrandom @Romaq @ichoran @AlanOutback @tsomof @aebrockwell @Ryle @tatzelbrumm @Gaythia @realcaseyrollins @stux@mstdn.social @stux@masto.ai @trinsec @khird @darnell @jq

@timezoneless We did address that breifly, maybe it needs more emphasis.. but basically an instance outside of the UFI will be treated however eachmember instance wishes to treat it, but it is encouraged no one assume they are bad actors simply for not being in the UFI.

@timezoneless I will be creating the gitlab repo for this shortly. Would you mind repeating your concerns there and openning it for discussion.

@timezoneless

I think these suggestions will best be served when we get the gitlab up, which im doing now. There you can suggest specific edits and we can all debate it.

My concern is that whatever rules we pick need to be concrete, and objective such that they can be proven or disproven via evidence... granted there will always be some level of subjectvitiy, but I'd like that to be clear if possible.

@floppy @ufi @ufoi @skanman @john @stevenclyman @robryk @ejg @dashrandom @Romaq @ichoran @AlanOutback @tsomof @aebrockwell @Ryle @tatzelbrumm @Gaythia @realcaseyrollins @stux@mstdn.social @stux@masto.ai @trinsec @khird @darnell @jq

Creating a group sounds like a good idea (was going to bring up the QOTO group server again soon which has better tools than gup.pe).

That said I think using the hashtag or will do better for comms here. Plus once its on GIT maintaining a list here will be less critical and I think the hashtag and/or group will cover that well.

So yea, agreed basically

@floppy @ufi @skanman @john @stevenclyman @robryk @ejg @dashrandom @Romaq @ichoran @AlanOutback @tsomof @aebrockwell @Ryle @tatzelbrumm @Gaythia @realcaseyrollins @stux@mstdn.social @stux@masto.ai @trinsec @khird @darnell @jq

@sozialwelten

At qoto we have a much higher character count, some other instances have it as well. That said you are welcome to wait till its on GIT where you have more characters as well, up to you.

As for those who are against the idea and wish to protest it by being silent, thats up to them. Either it will hurt their cause because they wont get a voice, or it will have their intended effect... But we cant account for people who refuse to speak.

@skanman @floppy @john @stevenclyman

@marathon0

I dont beleive anything until I see the evidence. What I do know is I've saved the lives of people who had their homes bombed by the Russians, civial homes with no military targets in sight.

One thing that is extremely clear is that the Russians are not behaving ethically, that said I cant speak to the extermination camps until ive had a chance to review the evidence.

@tonic

Quick thought. I just ran out and bought the following two domains for this:

UnitedFederationOfInstances (both .com and .org)

and

UFoI.org

Perhaps we should move the hashtag to instead? Thoughts.

@dashrandom @JoshuaACasey @skanman @floppy @john @stevenclyman @robryk @ejg @Romaq @ichoran @AlanOutback @tsomof @aebrockwell @Ryle @tatzelbrumm @Gaythia @realcaseyrollins @stux@mstdn.social @stux@masto.ai @trinsec @khird @darnell @jq

@icedquinn

I need to check the mod tools on mastodon... you might be right. I've only seen blocking all media, and ive been able to make media senative from an individual user... gotta see hwo we do that on an instance level... worth discussing.. lets try to leave that to GIT once its posted.

@Ryle @ejg @floppy @jq @dashrandom @stux@masto.ai @stux@mstdn.social @stevenclyman @darnell @aebrockwell @AlanOutback @Gaythia @ichoran @JoshuaACasey @khird @robryk @Romaq @skanman @tatzelbrumm @trinsec @john @tsomof @realcaseyrollins

@bonifartius I would not have mentioned Soapbox if i ran the list... so yea....

@icedquinn

Yes we could potentially handle this by having a shared list of instances that allow nudity in plain site.. users can then choose to adopt that block list if they want.

The problem with this approach is that it forces users to either block nudity entierly, or allow it in plain view. In the end I think this will harm people who wish to share nudity since it will force people to block them even if they want to see it some of the time. By requiring a CW instead these people will get more exposure since users can choose to uncover the CW or not and thus arent forced to take an all-or-nothing approach.

@Ryle @ejg @floppy @jq @dashrandom @stux@masto.ai @stux@mstdn.social @stevenclyman @darnell @aebrockwell @AlanOutback @Gaythia @ichoran @JoshuaACasey @khird @robryk @Romaq @skanman @tatzelbrumm @trinsec @john @tsomof @realcaseyrollins

@JoshuaACasey

That is worth a debate once it goes to git. I agree that sex workers should not be shamed. If they wish to show pictures of themselves that arent nude they are welcome to do so. But at the same time most people dont want nudity in their feed, especially when they view it in public spaces. It isnt about the sex workers or if their work is shameful or not, its more about nudity showing up on peoples screen at work or other places where it will get people fired.

@skanman @floppy @john @stevenclyman @robryk @ejg @dashrandom @Romaq @ichoran @AlanOutback @tsomof @aebrockwell @Ryle @tatzelbrumm @Gaythia @realcaseyrollins @stux@mstdn.social @stux@masto.ai @trinsec @khird @darnell @jq

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