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@dump_stack Hi. I'm trying to see what admins might be interested in being founding members of the UFoI (see attached link). Someone mentioned you might be interested? You can back out at any time, so no obligation if things go south. We just need to define who will be the founding members (we have a few already).

🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱  
I am now compiling a list of all servers who may have an interest in joining the United Federation of Instances. Quite a few instances have already...

@voidabyss No, members must federate within the UFoI but they are welcome to federate outside the UFoI as they wish.

@lewdthewides

No you don't.. you have a right to leave anytime with no need to answer to anyone. So if that happens to be the case that you are called out and do not wish to go through the due process you can just leave. We have a rule in place that if you do the process is dropped and instances wont defederate or block you en masse.

The key to this is people can accurse you of something without talking about it, and going through due process... but as I said you can always just leave and avoid it all.

@Arcana @enigmatico @shebang @cee

I am now compiling a list of all servers who may have an interest in joining the United Federation of Instances.

Quite a few instances have already signed up.

Please reach out to me, all servers of any size are welcome!

This is non binding, its just to get a preliminary list. You can withdrawl at any time and dont have to go through the application process. I just want to know what servers to reach out to once we begin kicking things off.

If you are a server admin please let me know **in DM** if you have an interest and I will add you to the (for now) private list. I want to only release the list once we have enough momentum so please respond in DM only.

for those who are new to this you can read the proposal here:

ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/un

You can read the early draft of the full bylaws here:

ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/un

Both of these will still undergo a lot of modification. For information on how to join the conversation see this post:

qoto.org/@freemo/1094332980218

You can see the progress and conversation specifically at the official repo here:

gitlab.com/ufoi/constitution

@ufoi

@LouisIngenthron

it isnt about subjective vs objective.. its about responsible due dilligance vs pitchforks and gossip... You cant replace due dillagnace by just averaging a bunch of people from a mob with pitchforks.

@admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn

@freemo @LouisIngenthron @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn To hammer this down further:
I come from not twitter, but another platform where insults are forbidden, but being mean is not something that moderators would react to.
Accordingly, i built some neural pathways to accomodate. My mode of operation was "i can troll the trolls". Whoever is nice, nice. Whoever not, let's see who wins.
So i was looking around here and thought "i hear negative things, i should troll the trolls". I have hence understood that this does not make sense in this environment. Even just being mean is so extraordinary that i do not need to. And that includes the users from other instances i have encountered.

I even was sure someone was arguing in bad faith one time, but after i said i wanted to disengage that was honoured.

This is a place that has no physical location, but a great appeal.

@LouisIngenthron

That works fine for email systems where the admins are relatively impartial... doesnt work so well in a fediverse where people block you if you dont use their block list... We are seeing now just how easy to game the system is, you have tons of good actor instances getting targeted because of dumb reasons.

@admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn

@stux Did ya hear, apparently their talking about everywhere.. most recently on a podcast :)

@admitsWrongIfProven

The one thing people love most about QOTO it is our friendly nature where we treat people like a friend at a coffee shop, not an enemy to debate.. lets hope the can bring that feeling to the wider fediverse.

@LouisIngenthron @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn

@LouisIngenthron @derickflorian @freemo @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn
I would worry about their unknowing users strung along.

1. Make an instance that promotes positive values
2. Acquire many users in line with those values
3. Act against those values
4. Oops. All blocked.

I think a lot of people that would be welcome here would be blocked. That is why we should absolutely go forth with freemos initiative. Not to protect qoto, but to promote human communication.

It was always a thing, people breaking down communications to advance nefarious goals. I think we could even make a better world, if we could protect good faith communication from trolls.

@freemo @ufoi

On the one hand, I am very encouraged that a group of instance administrators who aren't cultivating, as a German politician would put it, "mimosenhaftes Beledigtsein"
[mimosa-like hypersensitivity], are finding a collective voice and speaking up.

On the other hand,
I see a lot of energy for this initiative originating from a strong feeling of unfair censorship based on arbitrary and capricious rules
(it's a strong motivation to get involved here for ),
but I see a tendency to try and define yet another set of rules, with the tendency to go too much into detail.

A translation of the Starfleet Prime Directive into a Categorical Imperative would be:

"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time prevent that your will, or anyone else's will, should become a universal law of the United Federation of Instances."

@tatzelbrumm

The big difference for me is I am not thinking of this as some universal truth or law... im thinking about it more in terms of "What are the principles vast majority of reasonable people will agree to.. Something that an overwhelming majority will all hear and go "Yea that seems reasonable to federate with".

Morality should play a roll in that, of course. But I do feel we can find something that is both moral and satisfies the majority of instances.

@ufoi

@joaopinheiro

I agree, and its why I think the stands such a good chance of succeeding and counter that... the central idea is dialog, evidence, and due process.

@toxomat @shelenn @ceoln

United Federation of Instances was recently discussed on a russian podcast. I cant understand it myself but someone told me about it.

The UFoI is really taking off, and its been what, 2 or 3 days now! This is very exciting.

xxivproduction.video/c/regex/v

@ufoi

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