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@JonKramer @freemo My guess (and I could be very wrong about this) is that the ambiguity stems from racists using "ethnicity" as a dog whistle / proximal term for "race" for so long that it eventually just evolved meanings in common English.

Kind of like how "ignorant" has come to mean something closer to "indignant" in common usage.

Or like how "groomer" used to refer exclusively to predatory pedophiles, but now it's nearly equivalent to "faggot".

For how much bigots tend to claim to be "conservative", they sure do a lot of damage to the English language.

@JonKramer

Ethnic refers to groups with common cultures, which generally means tight knit German for example can refer to ethnic germans, racial germans, or people of German nationality.. in this case they clearly point out they are talking about ethinic germans (shared culture) not racial.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

Whether talking abpit race is important or not is questionable, doesnt change the fact that you were talking about race just trying to call it something its not. If your talking genetic insularity, you are talking about race. Science avoids race because its problematic, but it does recognize its a concept with some relevance (like determining prevelance to certain diseases).

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

Your choice of words just lead to a bit of inaccuracy, easily addressed now that its clear what you meant.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

Better to use the word race then... what you are really asking is why are jews often considered a race and not just a religion?

I think its complicated.. a **lot** of jews have shared racial origins, but being a displaced people those origins are fuzzy.. whey have fled and integrated and thus have a much more diverse racial background than many. Its probably better to say they are a collection of races that become isolated and displaced so while still having a lot of racial commonality there is also a huge amount of racial diversity.

In short, Jews mostly refuse to give up their racial identity entierly despite being displaced since anctient times

@LouisIngenthron

@cee

Highly recommend taking a audio recorder with you that can hook directly up to the line out of the audio equipment... free recording every time to help promote you... works great to overliy the in-line audio with any video you get so you can get a similar video as this just with better audio synced to it.

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@JonKramer

That link provides a definition which makes it clear it is cultural and not race (race is not listed).. it only provides a "usage note" pointing to race, doesnt say, at least at that link, that it is a synonym.

You also have to keep in mind you cant use synonyms to imply additional definitions.. synonyms often list words of similar but different definitions, they arent usually entierly interchangable. So even if it was listed as a synonym (sometyhing you will probably find in some thesaurus that istn a good way to determine word usage.)

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

That wouldnt change anything.. ethnicity is just the noun form of ethnic, it still refers to culture not race.

@LouisIngenthron

@davew there are whole instances devoted to journalists.. not specific to any one publication though... thats similar I guess?

@JonKramer

It would seem its common among muslims as well.. I have often seen muslims as being referred to as an ethnic group as well.

@LouisIngenthron

@ligthert wikipedia is a great source.. its just that like any source you need to review its citations to determine what weight to give it.

@EubieDrew absolutely... feel free to submit a merge request on the site or suggest where you think it might be best to state that.

@EubieDrew Correct, in fact we designed provisions explicitly to ensure that is the case... this is why we strictly state that members outside of the UFoI will not be treated with any negative reprocusions for not joining. It is structured only so there are positive advantages to joining, namely, garunteed federation for good actors.

@cee

Great work... hard to really appreciate due to the second hand phone audio though sadly :(

@Syrup @icedquinn @cafkafk @shebang @hermit @sam@masto.dotsod.com @ned @coyote @waltercool @grey@ruby.social @Indigo @thatguyoverthere @cyberspook @flancian @Cheezebell

@EubieDrew yea i want to address it.. but how is the best way to address it?

@JonKramer

My understanding of "Semetic" is that it includes anyone who speaks a semetic language. So your ethnicity probably has little to do with it.

@LouisIngenthron

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