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@JonKramer

yes we have to be careful not to let ideologically pure eyes cause real harm to the people we are trying to look out for... it can be counter-intuitive but we do it all the time.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

That solution isnt availible to the vast majority of africans, and while I'm all for trying to bring it to them, it isnt.. Which means they would die all the same due to lack of access and you taking away the one cheap measure they have (looking at race).

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

If we took this advice hundreds of thousands of africans would die as I previously explained... That doesnt sound like a prudent thing to do... though as I said it should be treated with extreme caution.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

The idea of Race can and has been abused... that is a shame, but it doesnt stop race from existing. It does however remind us we have to be **very** carefully how we use race when it comes to science.

@LouisIngenthron

@LouisIngenthron christiaanity is just as much a ethnoreligion as jews are.. in fact you just described it:

> I.e. Even as a full-on atheist, I still celebrate some of the Christian holidays because of culture

You are ethnically christian, but your "religion" is atheist (or lack of a religion).

@LouisIngenthron

Race has **little** to do with science, but not **nothing**...

Race is often important for doctors to asses the risk of disease for a patient. For example a black patient is far more likely to be considered for sickle cell anemia should he/she have related symptoms.

That said race is not particularly important outside of a few things like that.

@JonKramer

@LouisIngenthron Yes, but you have to keep in mind from the perspective of most jews (I live in Israel for a year now, so just my impresion) the religion is the culture.. Even people who are not religious jews will follow most of the religious traditions... So even for them in practice their religion and their ethnicity are almost the same thing.

@JonKramer

Ethnic refers to groups with common cultures, which generally means tight knit German for example can refer to ethnic germans, racial germans, or people of German nationality.. in this case they clearly point out they are talking about ethinic germans (shared culture) not racial.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

Whether talking abpit race is important or not is questionable, doesnt change the fact that you were talking about race just trying to call it something its not. If your talking genetic insularity, you are talking about race. Science avoids race because its problematic, but it does recognize its a concept with some relevance (like determining prevelance to certain diseases).

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

Your choice of words just lead to a bit of inaccuracy, easily addressed now that its clear what you meant.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

Better to use the word race then... what you are really asking is why are jews often considered a race and not just a religion?

I think its complicated.. a **lot** of jews have shared racial origins, but being a displaced people those origins are fuzzy.. whey have fled and integrated and thus have a much more diverse racial background than many. Its probably better to say they are a collection of races that become isolated and displaced so while still having a lot of racial commonality there is also a huge amount of racial diversity.

In short, Jews mostly refuse to give up their racial identity entierly despite being displaced since anctient times

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

That link provides a definition which makes it clear it is cultural and not race (race is not listed).. it only provides a "usage note" pointing to race, doesnt say, at least at that link, that it is a synonym.

You also have to keep in mind you cant use synonyms to imply additional definitions.. synonyms often list words of similar but different definitions, they arent usually entierly interchangable. So even if it was listed as a synonym (sometyhing you will probably find in some thesaurus that istn a good way to determine word usage.)

@LouisIngenthron