🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@admitsWrongIfProven I do not think people are born bad, but I also dont think ideas turn people bad.. Actions and how people are treated do, combined with poor or biased reasoning skills about how they integrate these expiernces.

Most racist people, for example, seem to be racist from a young age, in which case it is done in an attempt to be accepted by their family, usually parents. When I see a person become racist later in life it is usually because of negative experiences they had or witnessed. What ive never seen is a person who was decidingly not racist go "Hey ya know what, bill told me black people are violent, I am going to hate black people now"

@physicsninja I spent a lot of my teenage years there.. it is very sad.

@physicsninja They no longer existed, but it was this place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Valley_Nature_Center

@hakologist As a person with native american heritage I cant say I approve

@admitsWrongIfProven I've had tetris syndrome briefly a few times.. its always weird when it happens.

@physicsninja Oh wow, you are in my home town. I grew up in chester county. Worked at a nature reserve actually as a volunteer.

@admitsWrongIfProven You havent actually made the case that being exposed to ideas can do harm. Your example is a bad idea, sure, but you havent made the case that it was exposure to the idea that is the cause rather than the predisposition of the people to draw such conclusions on their own. It is very likely such ideas would largely have developed independently of exposure.

Do ham radio operators that use a lot of CW ever get Tetris Syndrom? Must be weird going outside and seeing random flickering lights as if they are a string of random letters/

The idea that bad people having a voice on social media causes other people to become bad people (often the argument as to why we must defederate from bad servers) is equivalent to:

Thinking violent video games cause people to become violent.

Thinking explicit song lyrics cause people to become criminals

Allowing people to be openly homosexual will cause others to become homosexual

Banning books

@admitsWrongIfProven

Yea i struggled finding good unbias data as well..

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@trinsec we dont pronounce things on the internet @kent_j

@admitsWrongIfProven

Most of what it listed was not crops grown specifically for animals. I listed the breakdown and most of it were either grass (grazing, mostly 66% of which is on land not suitabke for crops and only supports grass) or explicitly food waste like seeds and processing leftovers.

@tripu @bonifartius

@admitsWrongIfProven

The study i provided addresses it with 86% of food stock being inedible for humans

@tripu @bonifartius

@admitsWrongIfProven

No but factory farms do still consume mostly food waste, converting inedible food into edible food. That is an argument against shutting it down.

@tripu @bonifartius

@admitsWrongIfProven

So first, i foubd a number on grazing. So cows that graze 67% of them graze on land not suitable for crops

https://www.fao.org/3/ar591e/ar591e.pdf

The source for the percentages in my last response is here:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013

@tripu @bonifartius

@admitsWrongIfProven

To give specific numbers it is ....

14% edible (13% of which is grain)
46% grass (primarily land not suitable for crops)
19% residues from processing crops for humans
8% fodder crops (crops grown specific for animals)
5% from crop seeds
8% by products and other inedibly byproducts
@tripu @bonifartius

@admitsWrongIfProven

No your missing the point 14% is food suitabke to humans. 50% or so is grass (most of which on rocky or.mountainous land that cant grow crops). The overwhelming remainder are things like like stalks and leaves, the waste product of harvest. Yes we do sometimes have crops specifically to feed animals, but it isnt the bulk of it.

@tripu @bonifartius

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Nothing is 100%. Only 14% of food stock for livestock is edible at all by humans. Even less so is palattable to humans. But yes very little is grown exclusively for livestock

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