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@farooqkz

Its only obvious to you it is hardly obvious that it is thr one and only jnterpritation to the resr of the world.

@Pat @BobKerns @tonic

@farooqkz

Yes and what you jnterprit as the law of islam is different than what other people choose to interprit. Again you dont get a free pass for choosing a vile interpritation over a kind one.

@Pat @BobKerns @tonic

@matrix to point 1, ill doubke check but almost certain that is ot thr case here

2, just because it has multiple levels doesnt make it i correct given the canon

4. Saying "distinct faiths" , particularly when based off the same source material, is just a fancy way if saying you have multiple interpritations.

@farooqkz

And sorry but the whole "someone else does my thinking for me", which is what "its religious not personal" sounds like isnt gonna cut it. You are and will be held accountable **personally** for your religious beleifs, exactly because religious beleives are always personal beleifs.

@Pat @BobKerns @tonic

@farooqkz

No it is a personal beleif.. you choose to pick the interpritation you just described, other Muslims dont, period. So yes its a personal belief that you choose to tell yourself it isnt, nothing more nothing less. all religious beleifs are personal beliefs.

@Pat @BobKerns @tonic

@matrix The problem is that it is VERY hard, next to impossible to assert what hte book is actually telling you to do, which is a very different abstraction layer than simply what the book is describing.

Take the Leviticus 19:19 as a prime example since it seems straightforward but when we poke it a bit more its not...

"“You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material."

This seems perfectly straightforward, it is telling you what you cant do, it seems like we cant even debate the fact that is saying dont mix fabrics or seeds...

But its not that straightforward.. there are several competitings interpritations all of which have validity...

1) This is simply a long list of laws for a region at the time, a result of the long-windedness of the bible, not a proclemation from god. This is backed up by the suspicious lack of "god said" or any assertion these are rules set down by god .
2) the hebrew gamatria of the text reveals a hidden story (which historians are aware of by the way). The surface text isnt particularly important, the gematrial interitation, the underlying message,is.

3) It is literally telling you whatis and is not allowed (a generally jewish interpritation since this is old testamant).

4) a later set of books considered by only some people to be legit talk about jesus and in those stories they negate much of the rules set down in the old-testimant, so these rules are not enforced by god anymore but they used to be. (this is what most christians think)

The list goes on... There is no "right".. there are just endless interpritations, all valid within the frameowkrs of that particiular "canon" (both oral and written canon)

My favorite futuretime: outversing the postfix of words I say and prosidering what their new meaning might be.

@Pat

The overwhjelming majority of Muslimns I know from around the world would never want to force their beliefs on others. They themselves would never engage in homosexuality as they do view it as against their personal morality but would never dream of imposing that on others.

So yea, the excuse of "this is my religion" doesnt cut it, because he choose that particular hateful interpritation, the religion didnt "force" it upon him.

@farooqkz @BobKerns @tonic

@admitsWrongIfProven

I woukd be a tad bit kore delicate about the wording:

"I think eating strawberry jce cream is wrong so i dont eat it, but other people shoukd be allowed to choose for themselves what they do as lobg as they dobt make me eat strawberry ice cream"

Thats fine.

"I think other people shoukd only be allowed to eat the kibd of ice cream i approve of because me and my faith based opinion says so and everyone shoukd be beholden to my faith based opinions, not just me"

Well thats wrong.

@farooqkz @Pat @BobKerns @tonic

@Joshuamcvey my pleasure.

Just a reminder, being a horrible person shoukdnt be tolerated simply because they claim their religion says so.... **YOU** choose one of any number of interpritations of your religion that caused you to be a horrible person. Thats not your religions fault, thats just you finding an excuse to be a shit human. No one needs to tolerate you being a shit human just because your a religious shit human.

That is all...