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@Corfiot

Amazing you managed to get triggered and petty over this... do you realize how immature you look right now?

@matrix @hasmis

@kyle The morse code keyboard is a cool idea

@admitsWrongIfProven

I am not convinced it is anymore efficient... I suspect the sort of people controlled by religion to doing something evil are the sort of people who are seeking out, actively, things that control them. They feel lost without it. Such people will insist on being controlled.

@pieist

@admitsWrongIfProven

Religion can be used to control sure.. but without religion those same people are able to be controlled, and will be, by the same evil people. They just wont use religion to do it but another means.

@pieist

@farooqkz My personal interpritation is this:

A person named muhamed was wise and had understoof some truths about god (the meaning of messenger). A bunchg of people who hung out around Muhamed had very similar ideas and insights about god. Those people put more effort into helping eachother out than they did people that werent part of their group. This group prayed so much that they had marks on their face (likely from putting their face on the ground when praying)

@farooqkz

So this part:

> Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are stern against the deniers, merciful to one another; you see them kneeling, prostrating, seeking grace from Allah and good pleasure; their marks are on their faces from the effect of prostration.

(One small correction, Allah here should be God, as you are translating to english and God is the english word for Allah)

I see many interpretations here, and I dont myself pick any particular one... lets break it apart

> Muhamed is the messenger of god

this part could have many interpritations, though most musslims would take it to mean he is a prophet from god delivering a new religion. I myself might take it to mean any numberof alternative things, for example I might take it to mean he takes messages to god, rather than the other direction. Lotsof potential interpritations for this.

> and those with him are stern against the deniers, merciful to one another

Again lots of room here for different meanings... What does "with him" mean, a literal interptiation would mean people standing around him, could also mean other messengers of god, or it could mean his followers.

Sterm against deniers can also have a lot of interpritation.. deniers of what? stern in what way? etc

Every part has tons of things it could mean, and it isnt obvious to everyone since there is so much difference in interpretations.

@otso

It touches on some examples, yea.

@farooqkz

@pieist

I dont think there is any truth to that at all. Religion no more makes good people do evil things than it meaks evil people good.

@admitsWrongIfProven

@farooqkz

I just gave your seven interpretations to your statement of "you will kill infedels" for examples... not one of them is some version that "lacks" interpretations, that statement doesnt even make sense.

@otso

@farooqkz

There is **always** interpritation...thats how reading anything works.. you read the words, interprit the meaning. Books dont have brains, they cant interprit themselves.

You are just using it as a cop-out.. you are claiming your interpritation is **the** interpritation, as if there was no element of you in that process.. but thats not hte case.. you are the one who reads the words and takes it to mean a specific thing, you cant avoid it.

@otso

@farooqkz No im not talking about changing the content of the book by adding words to it.. I am talking about what a person thinks is meant by the text in its current form.

Lets break apart the example. Lets say somewhereint he quran it said "You will kill infidels".. well lots of interpritations for that ... 1) One might think the "you" in this case doesnt refer to the reader but was something being said to someone in the context of the story 2) Infidels may be interprited as something other than "nonbeleiver" 3) They may feel other parts of the text further clarify the meaning and change it, for example at a later point it may say killing is wrong 4) People may feel these were gods instructions for people at a point in the past but was never intended by god to apply to people in the modern day. 5) it may not be seen a commandment at all 7) Perhaps they dont feel the Quran is infallable and the people who wrote it were flawed and made mistakes 7) Someone may feel the language has changed since the book was written and some of the meaning is lost.

@otso

All that to point out a spelling typo? Ok thanks.

@farooqkz

@otso

Yup thats the definition.. your point?

@farooqkz

@farooqkz The Quran cant command you to do anything. It is a book. Only your interpritation of the book will "command" you to do anything. A book has no meaning until it is interprited.

@farooqkz Well if you havent read the whole thing that might limit you a bit.. But i think our discussion is generic enough that it might not matter all that much.

@farooqkz I think thats a bit of a cop out.. WE have both read it, we both understand it. Scalres are irrelevant at this point.

@adamcr Another important point is if you migrate to a radicalized server that blocks a huge portion of the fediverse you may get stuck there. You cant migrate out to blocked servers so you get "locked in"... make sure the block list is puiblic and you dont feel it is excessive.