🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@kinyutaka

Your reasoning seems very ass backwards, excuse my language...

Instead of worrying that someone is negligent and not entering data in the system as they are expect, and thus claiming any fast system is a failure. Focus on fixing the problem by ensuring people enter data in more quickly so its not an issue.

Do you even know how often data isnt entered into the system and people get a gun simply cause someone is negligent and didnt enter it on time? That probably isnt a huge issue anyway

@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei

@PiedraFiera

Even if we reduced gun shootings to one every 10 years we woukd still be teaching kids these lessons becauae preparing them saves lives, even jf jts rare we want to save lives....

Are we really going to claim now that measures which safe childrends lives in shootings are part of the problem?

Teaching kids how tonsurvive a tornado is fairly similar and dangerous.. yea its stressful but kids are more than strong enough to do drills, and thry are and always shoukd be good practice.

@kinyutaka Attached is an image showing the appropriate bulled for various game. It clearly shiws that the 0.223, the bullet used in an ar15 is only useful for small game hunting.

Nonhubter woukd challenge this.

@kinyutaka

Here is a little chart for you showing the bullets and the gsme they shoot. The 223 is the one an AR-15 shoots and as you can see it is one of the least powerful and limkted to small game.

@design_RG

@pj i am not. I am saying it is half as common as lightening to get killed in a school shooting.

@PiedraFiera

Yea
, though id imagine the number of kids who have ptsd because they were in a school shooting is likely in the one in hundred million range. So still pretty rare.

@kinyutaka

That makes no sense. Someone selling the gun needs to know if he passed the legal criteria or not. Its not up to them to make any sort of judgement call, that would and should be illegal. Pass or fail is exactly what you need.

The fact that the system is digital and fast seems like a poor argument against it, thats exact the ideal, digital data that is complete and fast to search

@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei

@kinyutaka

No an AR-15 TSKES 0.226 O
or if its mispec a nato 5.56. These are very much only capable on small game.

To use a .308 round on a ar-15 youd need a modified version of thr gun and therefore no longer coubts as an AR-15 as youve modified it into somethibg else.

@design_RG

@strawd Sure, you are welcome to that opinion. and I think something that happens 1 in 600+ million is more than rare enough to not be a concern... I also think that while many more might be "exposed " to it hby it happening somewhere in the general facinity is not nearly as traumatizing and thus also a somewhat acceptable outcome.. I mean, they probably included shooting that were "around the block" and their total interaction with it was to hear a pop and hide or maybe not even that, all they hear is the talk at the school about it the next day.

I know when i was in school i was exposed to a shooting.. never even knew it happened right next to me but the cops were there and IU drove past it.. I know someone was killed but since you never see or hear the event or anything it really had no traumatic effect to me at all.. So while I dont like to see those sorts of things happening I dont think its quite as traumatic as the numbers might suggest (as I said id have dif deeper into yoiur source to know the definition)

@PiedraFiera Absolutely true, I was not trying to calculate the total global impact on everyone from these events.

@kinyutaka

You are talkiung about entierly different types of background checks... Criminal Background checks take a few day, and areunrelated to guns. They are usually performed by employeers using private investigators. The databases used for gun background checks are locked down and not accessible to a PI. Even if they good access it since the data in it needs to remain private it only gives a pass or fail result, so a criminal investigator (who needs to know the details of the crimes cant use it.

Gun background chefcks are automated, secured and specifically designed to covr guns and the needs of gun sales and thus has significant privacy protections... but it also has the advantage of being almost completely digital and thus by its very nature much faster than other unrelated types of background checks.

@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei

@kinyutaka

Dont take this as an attack, but you are clearly uneducated on this.. yes the AR-15 **is** a small game rifle.. for starts it is overwhelmingly used by farmers for that purpose as any farmer can tell you... 2, has one of the slowest muzzle velocities of any rifle out there.. If you tried to kill a deer at normal range with it the deer would just run away laughing at you.

@design_RG

@kinyutaka

In your example the court would file the restraining order digitally and post it to the background check database (as they are legally required to do).. what the sherif does with it after that is on him....

Whats the problem here, it is digital and quick, thats the point... If your arguing the court and the sherif werent doing their legal obligation and adding ito the database then your issue is with their negligence and that is where the solution lies or... also making the system sit there just check the same databases more slowling isnt going to fix the problem. What do you think a gun background check is, some person that travels around the world asking every small town sherif if they heard of someone?

@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei

@strawd And that comparison is how any person int he real world would do it...but now we moved completely away from discussion on gun laws at all then... Whatever the homicide, gun death, or rape rates may be, overall they are not dictated by gun laws alone... there are countless factors that result in those numbers...

There are many countries that have far higher homicide rates thaan america who have no guns, and many places with guns and lower rates.. because the risks are not determined by gun ownership alone or even necceseraly the most significant determining factor... so you are evaluate everything about a country.... so you arent even taking about guns anymore at all other than as a side note at that point.

@Owl

Beautiful piece to shoot for sure. was a good purchase.

@Litzz11 @kinyutaka @marq @georgetakei

@Owl

In my main home back int he USA, yes, an AR-15 milspec

https://qoto.org/@freemo/103397525097838103

@Litzz11 @kinyutaka @marq @georgetakei

@Owl

I wouldnt go quite that far. But despite being raised in a home with no access to guns and generally anti-gun household I am of the opinion that buying a gun for your home is the responsible thing to do and most people should have one.

@Litzz11 @kinyutaka @marq @georgetakei

@kinyutaka

We do have background checks.. aside from a few holes (which might be worth fixing, thats a different subject) thye overwhelming majority of ways to buy guns all require background checks, this is true of every single state without exception. The background checks take about an hour.

When I bought my AR-15 I had a background check done at the counter and walked out about an hour later. It was actually ssuprisingly strict too, checked my parking record and everything.

If someone is in the heat of anger and is ready to kill someone, chances are they will do it with or without a gun. Considering how trivial it is to make your own lethal weapon with very little tools, and how easy it is to kill someone in a planned sort of situation (like with poison), I dont see that as a particularly useful argument.

@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei

@strawd Yea, but I also think the current framing, in that regard, is short sighted.

The numbers generall show that when you reduce access to guns that overall violent acts increase significantly and usually never recover or improve, at least not in the vast majority of countries that went through this. In particular sexual assault tends to spike rather aggressively as a consequence of gun bans.

We would have to run the numbers to get real numbers but if we did you might find the argument is more like "Would I be willing to trade a 1L400 chance of my child being somewhere in the general area where gun violence takes place and a 1:6 chance of being raped... or would i rather be in an environment where guns are banned so the chance of my child being exposed to it is say, 1:1000, but now your chance of being raped is 1:2.

Obviously these are just made up numbers, we should run real ones.. but the point is there is a trade off. Ban guns and yea you might reduce the number of gun related traumas, but now you have just increased the number of rape related traumas but a much much larger number.