🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@futurebird

Oh in that i agree, well too a point. Obviousky hard worknshoikd pay off, but at the same time you shoukdnt have to play a numbers gsme to get an edge.

More skill means you need less hustle in terms of playing the numbers, bjt you invest that hustle into study, which has real value.

The problem is you often get bullshitters in management who themselves got there by playing a numbers gsme. So the end result is management themselves dont have the skill needed to identify that skill in others.

@futurebird

Hustle probably gets you farther than skill.. tell enough people your worth twice what your worth and eventually someone will buy it.

@mike805 @jens

@theogrin

Loom everyone on every issue makes it black and white.. either unions are evil and shouldnt exist or unions are perfect and there are no problems given them all the powers they want...

I think we both agree the reality lies somewhere in the middle as always.

@mike805

More important it also takes a huge personal investment of both time and money for most people.. yes i know earlier i said i was making 100k at 15, but thats because i built something that got world wide attention at that age. In truth most people need to spend a decade of their off work time working on advanced problems and studying before they can get to where i was at 20. I just had a bit of a leap that boosted my career a good 5 years ahead of the mark.

And whike my skills have real value i do recognized i amprivilaged in the fact that i happened to get my start in the dot com bubble. Still i am 25 years of expiernce in at this poi t and had to spend alot of time and risk doing projects for recognition before i got to the point i was recognized as an expert.

@jens @futurebird

@theogrin as long as the unions are opt out they have my complete support. And yes i do know a vreat many unions are opt out so im all for most of these arrangements.

@bnlandor

I think its far more complex than just that... for sure... but there is a big negotiating pressure from having skills.

@futurebird @mike805

@futurebird

There are a lot of gurus that dont really care to make the big bucks... there is a lot of stress and pressure if you do honestly. For me to take advantage of my own abilities i have to consukt which means im always needing to line up new work every 3 to 12 months. There is alos a lot of pressure and a demand to work long and craxy hours.

@jens @mike805

@mike805

I wouldnt say that an accurate definition of either.. i fact what you describe sounds more like corprotacracy than capitalism.

@futurebird

@theogrin certainly not every union... it is very very common to have jobs where their avreement requires them to hire union workers and ghere is no option to jire nonunion

@jens

I mean maybe you just had some dumb management that hjred some shitty coder who convinced everyone he was the bees knees... that does happen.

But there is a legitimate need for high paid gurus. But thats only as good as your managements ability to identify and hire an actual guru and not just someone faking it.

@mike805 @futurebird

@mike805

Id argue that isnt capatilsm at all.. capatilism is not "no rules, mo ey buys all".. capitalism by definitio are markets where supply and demand market pressures are allowed to freely determine price.. if you can "buy off" the system it isnt a free markrt by definition.

@futurebird

@mike805

Hahah well yea except people argue antitrust is a heck against capatilism because a true and pure capitalism is bad (i am all for antitrust laws though)

@futurebird

@mike805

Yea as tends to be the problem with the socialist model is therr is less incentive to do well if you know others will carry you along.

@futurebird

@futurebird

Capitalists wshoukd have the option to work together or not while the socialist woukd be forced to see eachothers papers to be fair ;)

@mike805

@theogrin

Except when you give people the option to join, presuming its a good union that serves their interests well, then thry will. So its a moot point. The only time unions become in effective and loose their power is when thry stop serving everyone and only try to serve the majority at thr expense of the minority. In which case they deserve to loose their power.

@mike805

If a company is large enough they will usually have a guru on staff who hops projects and cracks heads to get things fixed and grease the wheels... their a neccesity simply becausr there are usually a few tough problems your average coder isnt equiped for.. usually time complexity issues where your average programer just isnt math/algprithms trained so is just not capable of solving it.

@jens @futurebird