🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@eff I really wish you guys would focus more on information (telling us the legalgood and bad of a bill) rsther than telling us how to vote.

Many of us arent followers, we want your expertise so we can be informed enough to make our own decisions.

@realcaseyrollins

I was thinking more about your idea of holding parents liable for their kids actions as a deterrant to scbool shootings

One big concern for that is, especially if applied more generally, would be a huge deterrant for parents to adopt problem children, which coukd have a devestating effect on how these kids grow up if all the most trouble prone kids never get adopted.

@rrb @pj

Yea me too.. put the liability on the owner and have an expectation of responsible behavior.

@rrb @pj

And yea i think affordable mechnisms like trigger locks for cars when you arent in them as well as affordable lock boxes might be reasonable.

@rrb @pj

I think existing liability law could probably handle that well enough... if you have something stolen and were negligent about storage you might have some liability.

That said id be willing to explore it.

My only concern there is

1) the rules for storage cant be prohibitive such as requiring a safe which many people wont have money or access to

2) the user should be allowed to keep it unlocked and without a trigger lock at a minimum while they are home ao in the case of a home invasion thry have quick access to it

One might expect that if you keep a gun at home youd take reasonable precautions if you left town such as security camera or somethibg maybe. As long as the two concerns above are properly balanced i would consider more discussion about ways we could better address this.

@rrb @pj

Ok so just checked... all gu sales in all ststes by dealers (this appesrs to inckude gun shows) require record keeping.

Private sales only requires record keeping in 19 states, though these are demcrat states mostly so thry do represent thr overwhelming majority of the usa population.

I woukd be ok with supporting a federal law that extended the record keeping requirements on gun sales as they currently exist toninckude all private sales.

@rrb @pj

That link has no information about record of sales.. talks about percentage that are federally licensed or not, nothing else...

@rrb @pj

You already have that its just carefully designed to be one way. If you have a gun used in a crime you can track it to its owner. What you cant do is pull up all people in an area that own guns as you coukd with a normal registry.... just as it shoukd be.

@pj @rrb

My argumebt was only half about that. The other hakf was about profiling, whicb we all know would and is an issue right now.

Having a gun in and of itself, something that is a rigbt, shoukd not be able to be used to generate suspicion, which is the only real ourpose of a register.

Now if you susoect someone because of actual evidence, then you have the right, and can, search the records and lookup based on the serial number.

Its the same reason cops cant look up who is poor in order to create a list of suspects for a robbery.

@rrb @pj

This is about restraining orders. And speaking generally that makes sense. You do not need tonprove someone was violent to get a restraining order. Generally they are trivial to get and at no point is there a cojrt case with evidence and a jury being evaluated.... so no someone shoukd t loose their rights to a gun due to having a restraining order unless the violent acts have been proven in court.

@rrb @pj

Id have to read up on the case.. but if you hold a gun to someones head who is not being violent and threaten to kill them, and there is evidence to show this, id obviousky support them taking their gun away.

@pj @rrb

The issue with gun registration is that one day thr government may become oppressive and make guns illegal and thrn those registrations can be used by an oppessive govt.

The other issue is profiling. Cops might use registrations to target people as suspected and as such owning a gun, even if you never use it, makes you a target of wrongful arrest.

We already have a "one-way" system that is essentially a registrstion. As long as you have a gun or its serial number you can track it back to who owned it, but not the other way around. Assuming it is all legal of course.

@rrb @pj mistakes happen. Whether i wasnt clear or you misheard, the jmportant part is we clarify when that happens, and thsts what we just did, all good.

If you have threatened to use violence, or used it, and there is evidence to show it, that is illegal. You shoukd wind up in jail and have your access to guns revoked for the forseeable future. When and how you can get thst right back and prove your reabilitated is another matter, and i dont have the answer to thar. But for the forseeable future if the acts you described can be proven then the person shouldnt just be loosing a right to guns, thry shoukd be in prison.

@rrb @pj

Incorrect. I said that using a persons medical diagnosis to take away rights will result in people avoiding medical diagnosis and make matters worse.

At no point did i even suggest that a person where there is evidence of violent ghreats (which are illegal btw) shoukd have access to a gun.

Lets stick to the facts and not start twisting what people say please.

@pj @rrb

If someone is smuggling in guns and giving them to people that currently arent legally allowed guns, i think youd find everyone would agree that needs to be prevented.

@pj @rrb

No its not the wild west, and in theory polkce shoukd orotect us... but in practice thst makes little sense. Police come when you call them and there is going to be a delay no matter how well funded. You cant even call police if your being jumped or raped most of the time.

In the end its great to talk about ideals and what shoukd be or shouldnt be. But we have to schknowledge reality, and the reality is that in most incidents the police will never be a reliable security.

For example only 46% of violent crimes in general are reported, i suspect much less for rape. Of those reported only 30% even result in an arrest. Its clear from these numbers very very few, if any, rape cases are acted on by police and prevented.

@guardeddon have you asked the app devs? Ghry probably have a accout on AP

@lavahot i dont think it woukd be fitting to swap... dont get me wrong women often protect the weak and men often love the unloved. But i dont see that as good representstions of the fiery aspects of masculinity or the watery aspects of femininity.