🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@admitsWrongIfProven You realize this exact example is what disproved **your** data not mine... you suggested correlation when you said "look at all the countries that ban guns where violence is less than the USA... what you were selling is exactly what this image is showing, yes its bad data science.

Furthermore if you recall I **specifically** provided data that showed granger causality test, and NOT correlation as you depict here. It is exactly the sort of analysis we do to help combat the falacy your trying to claim...

Man its ironic thats what you shared.

@admitsWrongIfProven It proves exactly what you asked for.. evidence that across multiple countries and states we see huge rises in violent crimes that always seems to follow a ban in guns... it shows, rather strongly, that banning guns means people die... it proves something quite important to this conversation.

@admitsWrongIfProven More data, same trend.... funny that huh?

@admitsWrongIfProven Every single point I made had literal evidence attached to it.. only thing left to do is show you the 5 other countries I mentioned i had data from rather than the one country i already shared. Incomming...

@admitsWrongIfProven I thought we already addressed this...

Talking about "firearm related death" in a discussion about banning firearms isthe intellectual equivelance of anti-vaxxers talking about "vaccine deaths" in a discussion about banning vaccines... It is intellectually dishonest and intentionally avoids the actual issue (if guns are a net goo dor a net bad)..

Lets not forget when an antivaxxer says "If you would ban vaccines you would have 0 vaccine related deaths"... i mean yea, but its still an intellectually dishonest argument, true or not.

@mapto Still funny, i mean, inappropriate and all, i dont mind in the least if he gets in trouble for it.. but I am amused at his idiocy all the same.

@diarra

@georgetakei Agreed, time for him to resign.

Hell at this point lets get all of congress to resign, start over.

Lol someone turned twitter logo into the Doge logo... I am amused.

@admitsWrongIfProven Thankfully the overwhelming majority of gun users are very safety conscious and good gun disciplin is often a focus.

@admitsWrongIfProven No, we should give everyone the right to arm themselves and protect themselves while we do the impossible (and likely multigenerational) task of eliminating rape and violence... but until we do, people have a right to protect themselves.

@admitsWrongIfProven How ya figure. I think your applying less reaskn here than bias. I think it shoukd be obvious why a gun can protect a rape victim and is ultimately a power equalizer, especially considering how cops will likely not be on the scene for most crimes.

Takes some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to ignore the idea of guns as a power-equalizing protection

So my airbnb has a "No durian in the apartment" rule... Shoukd be easy to guess what country im in ;)

@admitsWrongIfProven you act like the peaks are done and over... after a few years obviously its harder to see the long term effects without more rigerous analysis, partly because over long periods other effects will overwhelm the violence rates.. but the positive effects on lowering violence from having access to guns. Or increaing it when you ban it, is certainly an ongoing net positive/negative, not a one off gain.

@admitsWrongIfProven because it works both ways.. outlawing guns csuse violence tonspike, and generslly never improves to anpoint it isnbetter than before thr ban, so therenis no benefit...

Similarly when you deregulate guns you will see a dip in violence. So there is a huge benefit fornderegulating guns to reduce violence.

@admitsWrongIfProven in much of europe you can, and at least i get a vote to change the laws too which is the important part in thisnconvo

@admitsWrongIfProven i am rarely living in the usa, i live mostly in europe and thr middle east. So chances are you might not be sonfar away.

@admitsWrongIfProven wait what... no... in saying we shouldnt look at killings and make a decision in an attempt to reduxe killing thst is know to in fact increase the number of killings instead... it seems straightforward to me. Dont do things that cause kore people to be killed, rsther than fewer, the only metric that matters.