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@mike805

Actually we had automatic weapons **long** before 100 years ago... but that seems like a moot point for me to argue as I dont see it as all that relevant, but I'd make it legal.

@lmrocha

@lmrocha @mike805

Automatic weapons are illegal in the USA, and have been for a while... Personally I would have no problem making them legal again.

No one needs them for self-defense, but I am more than ok making something legal even if there is "no need" other than enjoyment.

@mike805

Again, grossly intellectual-dishonest argument you just made.

It is the exact same equivelant of the anti-vaxx argument: "If you made vaccines illegal we could eliminate vaccine deaths!"... Sure its technically true, but it fails to look at the big picture and account for lives **saved** to contrast the lives taken.

@lmrocha

@mike805 @lmrocha I mean there was a problem 100 years ago just as there is now.... violence, if that is via a gun or countless other means is very much secondary to the violence problem.

@lmrocha

The vast majority of arguments people make when I discuss gun control is around simple correlations. Yes I was talking of people in general, not you or scientists or anyone who is willing to address the fact that the question is nuanced and requires advanced analysis to really approach the question. If that describes you then just assume it doesnt apply what I said, to you, it still applies to the droning masses however, sadly.

> At the end of the day, your can justify your toys however you want. But American children are dying from guns much more than children in other rich countries.

This is technically true, but yea intellectually dishonest... It does not account for, or poorly accounts for, the numbers of violent crimes prevent, both from never happening, and from being stopped early on. Of course there are certain types of analysis that are more intellectually honest and sadly the data there leans strongly towards the opposite.
@mike805

@Karoli

The ban failed last time, you wont get support a second time...

It also just isnt a common sense approach to the problem.. banning the weakest arms we have (AR-15 is a small-game weapon not even suitable for deer hunting) is just a silly way to come at fixing the issues.... lets not.

@lmrocha @mike805

Great then you should, at least in theory, be able to understand why sooften the data presented is intellectually dishonest. I myself am an expert/professional data scientist, so we shouldnt have any trouble having this conversation.

Doesnt change the fact, that as I said, most people fall for the intellectually dishonest analysis, and by the sounds of it, you might too. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

@lmrocha

Of course the constitution is intended to change... thats what amendments are for.. what its not intended to do is say one thing and people make up completely opposite things and say thats what it means.

@mike805

@lmrocha

Nope, though I do understand why people who arent experts in data science can easily get mislead by the manipulation to try to sell that narrative... Sadly you will never see the data presented with good intellectually honest analysis (using granger causality rather than simple correlation whcih we all know is invalid when you cant control confounding variables)

@mike805

@lmrocha

Well no argument that the justices will abuse their reach by misinterpriting the constitution... luckily with the right lean in the supreme court we are likely to see stronger defense of the #2A, though I'd much rather this be done by the way the constitution is designed to work rather than to be at the whims of a supreme court.

@mike805

@atomicpoet Not really... I do see a lot new users, and donations increased proportionally.. but overall seems the amount of money isnt much different relative to the costs of operation. Not enough to develop new projects from an OSS perspective.

@lmrocha

None of this argument is relevant.. yes a lot of people were oppressed, we passed amendments to protect them (and their right to own guns as an extension)... Again, this is the point, if you want to change the current state of the constitution, create an amendment.

@mike805

@lmrocha

Yea thats complete nonsense... the data is quite clear.. at best banning guns does nothing to help improve the violent, rape, and homicide rates... though at best it significantly reduces it (and the data leans towards the latter)

The number one death for children means nothing if you dont compare it to the number of children's lives saved by guns as well, or correct for kids killed in gun free zones.

Again this is like the anti-vaxxers argument "If you ban vaccines we will significantly reduce the deaths caused by vaccines"... while true its an intellectually dishonest argument.

@mike805

@lmrocha

Nah, the amendment says nothing of white men, and the foubding fathers made no hijts that is what they intended... well regulated militia is very obviously an exemplary clause not a qualifying clause

@mike805

@JonKramer very likely true for the majority of founding fathers at least.

@Blenster Makes sense, hope you enjoy your new home.

One thing just to point out, dont feel any pressure to stay... We have a unique feature specifically so people wont feel the need to move accounts or have multiple accounts... You can add their local timeline as a column here (or follow it), which lets you see and interact with their server as if you are local without having to move. Pretty sure we are the only ones with that feature...

But yea, best of luck when you move. Stay in touch.

@Blenster sorry to see you go. If you had an issues let me know.

@SpinozasHeresy Lets hope they dont do an assault wespon ban. It was a fsilure last time, it will faill again... we need real solutions...

Supreme court ethics would be nice...