🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@lmrocha

Please dont take this personal, but you are really comming across as uneducated on the topic with many of your comments, especially this one... Automatic weapons have been banned at a state and federal level for a very long time now (I think 60s or 70s).... There are no automatic weapons on the streets to worry about aside from a very rare few antiques.

@icedquinn @mike805

@icedquinn

I strongly support better access to mental health. Hell I wouldnt even mind taxing guns such that the tax pays for some of that mental health access.

That said I also beleive in bodily autonomy and that means the absolute right to suicide and not making the effort to block access to something on the basis that it can be used for suicide... if someone wants to kill themselves with a gun, that is their fundamental right, its their body.

@mike805 @lmrocha

@lmrocha

I find it curious that you say you understand the literature and those post studies that, while technically true, have been explained exactly why they are intellectually dishonest and rejected as an argument against guns by experts looking at this fairly.. i also explained to you the type of analysis that is good-faith which is suprisingly lacking from your link... I think this goes to show either you dont understand the science well enough to interprit it, or you are just so biased at this point as to provide intellectually dishonest arguments in the hopes no one will notice the holes.

@icedquinn @mike805

@lmrocha @mike805

Guns are the great equalizer, if you want to know what people are afraid of, well women being rapped is a prime example of where guns provide a huge equalizing force to address a very real and rampant problem (far more so than school shootings thats for sure).

@lmrocha

What they are "engineered" to do, whatever that means, is irrelevant to the point that your using the anti-vaxxer's failed logic. I'm sure an anti-vaxxer will try to tell you vaccines are engineered to kill too, which would be just as weak a counter.

@mike805

@lmrocha

I absolutely have data to show it. You can simply do a search for violent rates, murders and deaths and look at how they change in various countries when guns are banned or a ban revoked.. the correlation is quite obvious. Would you like me to post you some of these graphs, as I said I have tons of data to backup what I'm saying.

@mike805

@icedquinn

Did you normalize the 100K firearms to population?

Depending on the analysis Ive seen very little correlation and I've seen correlation that favors gun ownership.. depends on how you approach it.

@mike805 @lmrocha

@georgetakei

I wish you the best with the rest of the shows. I wish I could see it.

@lmrocha

Again, this is the antivaxxer argument "If you make vaccines illegal there wont be any vaccine deaths"... True but grossly intellectually-dishonest to anyone who actually can look at the problem objectively, in which case you must talk about the effects on overall violent acts, and not on "mass shootings", and thats before we even get into how ridiculously rare they are when compared to other rare events like lightening.

@mike805

@mike805

A combination of 1) more access to recording equipment 2) More population 3) Worse social environment 4) Worse mental health...

3 and 4 are debatable... 1 & 2 are incontrovertible.

@lmrocha

@lmrocha

And you are back to bad-faith arguments.

1) Toys are the last priority in the list of priorities. As I already explained the top priority is making the decision that results in the fewest people suffering. As I said the data in my review clearly shows this means not banning guns.

2) Beyond that any choices made to restrict guns **must** show a positive effect on the big picture (lowering violent act rates). Since automatic weapons have not shown to be harmful to violence rates I will support it even if the argument is so weak as to say "it is for fun."

@mike805

@mike805

I'm aware of the details, they are illegal to make and sell.. antique ones of course are protected and very expensive for the stamps.

@lmrocha

@mike805

Actually we had automatic weapons **long** before 100 years ago... but that seems like a moot point for me to argue as I dont see it as all that relevant, but I'd make it legal.

@lmrocha

@lmrocha @mike805

Automatic weapons are illegal in the USA, and have been for a while... Personally I would have no problem making them legal again.

No one needs them for self-defense, but I am more than ok making something legal even if there is "no need" other than enjoyment.

@mike805

Again, grossly intellectual-dishonest argument you just made.

It is the exact same equivelant of the anti-vaxx argument: "If you made vaccines illegal we could eliminate vaccine deaths!"... Sure its technically true, but it fails to look at the big picture and account for lives **saved** to contrast the lives taken.

@lmrocha

@mike805 @lmrocha I mean there was a problem 100 years ago just as there is now.... violence, if that is via a gun or countless other means is very much secondary to the violence problem.

@lmrocha

The vast majority of arguments people make when I discuss gun control is around simple correlations. Yes I was talking of people in general, not you or scientists or anyone who is willing to address the fact that the question is nuanced and requires advanced analysis to really approach the question. If that describes you then just assume it doesnt apply what I said, to you, it still applies to the droning masses however, sadly.

> At the end of the day, your can justify your toys however you want. But American children are dying from guns much more than children in other rich countries.

This is technically true, but yea intellectually dishonest... It does not account for, or poorly accounts for, the numbers of violent crimes prevent, both from never happening, and from being stopped early on. Of course there are certain types of analysis that are more intellectually honest and sadly the data there leans strongly towards the opposite.
@mike805

@Karoli

The ban failed last time, you wont get support a second time...

It also just isnt a common sense approach to the problem.. banning the weakest arms we have (AR-15 is a small-game weapon not even suitable for deer hunting) is just a silly way to come at fixing the issues.... lets not.