🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@zack

**Exactly** now your getting it. Fewer gun deaths doesnt mean fewer deaths overall (and in fact can mean **more** dewths). And thus thr problem with using gun deaths as a metric or goal.

@MelodyCooper @pies

@AmpBenzScientist

Tons of physjcs stuff out there that leverages guns. Yes they serve many purposes beyond killing

@MelodyCooper @stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com

@pies @MelodyCooper

And why are you ignoring, conviently, the bat deaths and knife deaths and assault deaths prevented by the good guy with the gun?

Thats why the whole "Make guns elligal and gun deaths will go down" is the intellectual equivelant of thr antivaxxer " Make vaccines illegal and we can eliminate vaccine deaths". It may techbicallt be true but its intellectually dishonest because it fails to look at the big picture.

@ech @masnick

I dont think we have that disabled. You mean the explore hashtags?

@freepeoplesfreepress i really appreciate that. I hope you find the whole server as reasonable, thst is the sort of environment i hope to encourage here

@skobkin

Im all for thinking about the kids, and after considering their safety as a top most priority i decided keeping guns legal was in their best interest

@MelodyCooper @stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com

@leovarnet @QOTO The Id shows in thr url when you click your profile

@MelodyCooper

Nice goal post moving you did there.

Personally I beleive in bodily autonomy.. the same reason I support abortion is the reason I support access to suicide methods.

So guns being a route for suicide is not just ok, it is prefered.

@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com

@MelodyCooper

What an ignorant and uninformed way to view the problem.

It sounds pretty much equivalent to saying things like:

"Oh why oh why are cars still legal when kids are dying in car accidents"

Or even worse yet: "If we made vaccines illegal people would stop dying of vaccines.

The reason is because these viewpoints are ignorant of the big picture. Guns save lives, and prevent incidents from happening, they also cause incidents. Any real argument looks at all of that at frames the issue as one of violence first and foremost.

No we arent "oh but we like our toys".. no its more like "Well these tools help us prevent deaths too, so we wont give them up over a poorly framed emotional argument.

@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com

@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper

And when someone staps someone or beats them with a bat do we cry about how bats are legal... Yes there is a problem, but absurd solutions like making guns illegal is obviously not the answer.

@trinsec yes

Testing crossposter...

@zleap Violence is an issue all around the world, and I agree america, and much of the world, needs to get it in check.

I kinda wish mastadon wasnt anti-algorithm when it comes to your feed... The ideal, IMO, is that the user can pick whatever algorithm they want to effectively empower their feed and make discovery of new content better.

@mur2501 I usually ignore twitter anyway. I tjust cross posts from qoto

Jesus did twitter break crost-posting again.... why are they trying so hard to keep me off twitter :)

@alfredo_liberal

What the fuck did the US screw up about healthcare this time? I honestly stopped keeping track.

@Pat