🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@Moira That would be what I hope most people block for...

@Pjcoyle

Not really the same thing at all.. you may think its ok, but it is a very different beast to block on behalf of a bunch of people forcibly, vs someone choosing to block as an individual... very different things... but being different you can still feel they are both rights... and I dont disagree with you... but only for small social media networks. for large ones they begin to resemble utilities/commons and at which point should start to fall under those protections.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@LouisIngenthron

To me the issue isnt company vs not-company... it makes no difference is facebook is run by a person or a company really..

To me the line is once the means of communication becomes pervasivce enough that it is an important component in communities and communication.

Facebook is so pervasive that you can almost garuntee to find everyone on there and the vast majority are active. Meaning it is important to communication and interaction in a way thatI feel it resembles phone lines and internet lines at that point.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@Pjcoyle

I dont think anyone is disagreeing with you having the right to block things personally... The issue here is if a large social media network (or maybe even has a small one) has the right to block someone fromt he whole system.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@ar Well in this hypothetical you have no idea if this individual respects scientific fact or human rights... the poll is about if all you know is they are a republican.

And for the record im not prorepublicanism, i lean left of center for sure... But not for nothing Biden literally started his career being pro-segregation. He only changed his stance when it effected his vote decades later and now panders to the democrats without **ever** appologizing or showing remorse or wrong doing in his pro-segregation stance.

So if I were to judge people the way you do (and I dont) then the democrats and republicans both look plenty worth blocking on sight.

@eberhofer

No one is arguing whether Obama did well or not during his time in office. So I really wont even address the first part as it has no relevancy.

Trumps policies, as I already showed from the govt published data, had equivelant loss of work hours (and pay) as the USA, so while Trump certainly did a poor job handling the pandemic in many ways, plain and simple unemployment absolutely wasnt one them as the data very clearly shows.

Not to mention we know why... I get thatyyou want to hate Trump so much that you must blame 100% of bad metrics on him and 100% of good metrics on obama, but the reality is always more nuanced.

We know quite well, and its obvious basedon the nature of QE what its effects are.. QE results in a huge spike in employment rate, and the value of companies spike,a nd even economies recover very quickly int he short term.. this is why anyone would ever bother with QE at all... We also know the long term result of QE is massive inflation rates over long periods of time and ultimately a loss of the value accumulated in the short term.

Well thats what we saw, exactly what QE does, and it **is** trumps fault.. we saw the hugely accelerated spike in employment rates (record breaking even!) and no this isnt from obama who had at best a moderate employment rate increase, the rate was much much higher after trump initiated QE than obama ever reached. Also as expected we now see the tell tale long term inflation spike we are struggling to deal with.

Yea trump is to blame for the unemployment rate, it was a record, but its hardly a good thing he did...

@DeanObeidallah

@jonty And what if someone else does the same thing from s3? I suspect it means both people can control the account?

@eberhofer @DeanObeidallah

> The chart shows a huge loss of employment during COVID-19, which isn't seen in Europe at all (not even close).

No there was a huge emploiyment recession in europe but because of laws instead of people getting fired they just lost hours... The mean hours worked per week per person in the EU dropped by an enourmous 18 hours during the economic shut down... very much in line with the unemployment rate in the USA, or at least when represented in hours lost. (see attached)

> And this is entirely due to (1) Trump's destructive policies prior to the arrival of COVID-19 combined with (2) the, shall we say, haphazard approach to the pandemic.

Wrong, as demonstrated the hit to people actually working in the workforce was approximately the same between europe and the USA.

> And I agree with you: Trump's unprecedented efforts to influence the fed and solve things with QE, which Biden doesn't even seem to dream of, makes his record even worse. Trying to cover up policy blunders by stoking inflation.

Trumps record is horrific to anyone looking at the big picture for sure... but there is **no** doubt the unemployment rate was largely thanks to his decisions, its just that he caused a LOT of harm to get what is effectively a temporary and artificial unemployment rate... it may be real, he may have caused it, and it was even record breaking, all true and he gets the credit, but it was NOT a good thing when you consider how he got it and the long-term effects of what he did.

@futurebird oh geeze what did I miss, who got lynched/hung?

@freepeoplesfreepress I appreciate your stance, but I dont think its quite that straight forward, nor should one's stance be.

For starters I think there is a place for suspending on politicial views, but it is very much a niche edge case. If I ran an instance specifically for democrats I would see no real issue with them not allowing republicans to join their instance. In the case of federation though I wouldnt say its appropriate to defederate based on those terms in most cases unless the instance really is trying to create a bubble, but i cant see a good reason to do that at a federation level really.

The more interesting stance of yours is if social media should be allowed to kick people off of their computers... that just seems unworkable at almost every level. I would tend to agree with this once a social media network reaches a certain size where it is pervasive.. it almost resembles a public utility at a certain point, at which point I might be willing toa gree with you there.

@thatguyoverthere @realcaseyrollins

I always found actors kind of cringy when they are talking to someone who isnt there... little things I think most people miss but to me stand out like a sore thumb. Stuff like the length of the pauses and some of the wording seems really unnatural.

Then again i p[ick that up in tv and movies in general, can make a lot of tv hard to watch.

@eberhofer @DeanObeidallah

None of what you said actually lines up witht he data.

1) For starters unemployment rate would have to be plotted as an inverse log plot if we want to fairly evaluate rate. the reason is obvious... if you have 100% unemployment it is much easier to bring that to 99% then it is to go from 1% to 0%... So even if nothing changes in terms of effects on unemployment we would have an asymptotic plot, not a linear one.

So there is no slowing, outside of covid itself, and i see no inflection point suggesting there was a rate change when trump came on.

2) Second once we admit that the huge spike due to covid and shutting down he economy (which everyone agreed on both sides was needed) can not be blamed on Trump (which should be evidence since the same pattern is seen, his downward rate was actually not slowed at all but reached record recovery rates... never in the history of recessions has jobs recovered so quickly as they did under trump. This is obvious fromthe chart, where Trump has the **sharpest** job recovery rate across the whole chart, and in fact, in history. The fact that this happened at the **end** of his presidency further debunks your assertions.

3) The claim Obama is to praise for the long gradual downward sloap in unemployement and Trump just inherited it.... no thats easily debunked too. If we look at the european unemployment rates (or global) which I have attached, the shape of the curve that you attribute to obama is nearly identical tot he curve for europe. This suggests unemployment rates were recovering not due to anything special Obama did but rather due to an improvement in global economy that all countries shared. Contrast this with the recovery period after the covid spike which does in fact vary greatly from country to country and of which Trump, again, had a record recovery rate on unemployment ever seen.

Now again I am not saying we should praise Trump. In fact I think he was horrible and these indicators above are due to actions Trump took that had good economic impact (very fast recovery from unemployment) in the short term, but at the cost of the long term.. the QE he engaged in to make that possible is also what is, partly, causing the high inflation we see now, so its fine to say that **despite** his impressive record on unemployment he did so at a cost that was more harmful than good overall... But even then we would be dishonest not to admit that in isolation the unemployment rates Trump was able to achieve were record breaking in both rate and in how low he managed to get those numbers.

@eberhofer

Huh, what are you suggesting by the longer chart? Are you suggesting trump did not hit the record lowest unemployment since 1969 before Biden was able to match him?

I guess you mean the huge spike the kicked in when the economy was shut down due to covid, which he managed to bring back down at a record rate?

Dont get me wrong overall I think Trump was shit and I do **not** support him as president. But we cant deny the fact that he hit the lowest unemployment rate since 1969 which he continued to keep on a downward trajectory right up until COVID hit (at which point literally no one in any country was able to prevent an unemployment spike)

@DeanObeidallah

@LouisIngenthron Deleted my reply. I wasnt. Thought you were replying to a different thread.

@DeanObeidallah I mean the previous record holder for lowest unemployment rate was set by Trump, and Biden has just now surpassed it by a few fractions of a point. So even if we do talk about the unemployment rate, and how Biden was finally able to achieve Trump's level of success int hat regard, it would still have to invoke Trump to be fair in discussing that. Lets hope Biden can keep the numbers going the way they are.

@48kRAM We are in the process of going public, but we may hire before we do.

Which of the following reasons, in and of itself, would be enough for you to suspend, block or report a person?

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