🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@ar

2 people not being friendly for you and needing to be cut out of your life and being republican is hardly a good argument... I mean 2 isnt a very high number.. I mean I had 2 black people who wound up not being my friend once and I had to cut them off, I dont assume all black people are bad cause I've had that happen..

@eberhofer

What im saying is when you look at these charts you have to normalize for the global trend to get a sense of how much of it is ourpolicies vs global economy... If you look at obamas trend it largely matches the shape of the global eveonomy with no delay. So you see obama still improving unemployment on his own, but only at a marginally higher rate thant he global background. Suggesting a normalized chart would have obamas rate much lower than a cursory glance at the chart might suggest.

Likewise trumps rate post covid in terms of how fast unemployment dropped back to normal was record breaking itself and many orders of magnitude a higher rate of unemployment recovery than the global. suggesting Trumps unemployment rate of change was far greater than Obamas, since the original chart before normalization shows this and would be more pronounced post-normalization....

But thats the weeds... as we said we KNOW Trumps QE would do just that, have insanely good very short term results on unemployment, so there is no disputing he beat out obama on that metric by leaps and bounds .. but again he poisoned the well to do it.

And no one here is sayign Trump had a successful policy... he got the employment rate, legitimately super low and yes it was Trump that did that, not obama, but again, that isnt success.

Its a bit like enacting slavery and then taking credit thast the unemployment rate is 0... welll it really is 0, so you cant argue that, but to take it as a win given the big picture, no it isnt.

@DeanObeidallah

@unabomber The wording of the title here sounds fishy.

If we take it at face value, sure, maybe their disease first got triggered from weed... but I **suspect** if we dig deeper we would find those cases would have developed along a similar timeline if they didnt smoke weed.

In fact its more likely that schizofrenic cases that are int he early stages of onset are more likely to self-medicate with weed and as such smoking weed has a tendency to be present around time of onset.

@sj_zero @freepeoplesfreepress

To be fair the name of the act usually means the exact opposite of what it does :) but lets not go there, lol.

@ar You ever think you might be seeing the post hoc ergo procter hoc fallacy? With so many people blocking them or assuming they are bad people on sight, then the ones who are truely bad people dont care, they will get blocked anyway for their views even if they dont mention being republican, so they have no extra consequences to being public about being republican.

On the flip side a good person who isnt any of those things but is a republican isnt likely to get blocked since, well, they have good-hearted views and thus, knowing they will be assumed to be harteful of they admit to being republican, is far far less likely to bringup politics at all and may even hide how they vote when asked directly by skirting the topic.

I mean, to be fair, I find most republicans to be, more or less, what you describe too...that said I find democrats just as intolerable just for very different set of reasons, one of which is their prejudice against pretty much everythign other than minorities, something that is very noticable whent hey start talking about dog whistles.

@LouisIngenthron

Im not sure thats an argument against it... we can say the same about telephone lines or the internet... telegrams used to be pervasive and thus had the protection that utilities like the ISP and phone get today.. but they arent pervasive anymore and thus fell out of those protections.

Same for myspace, when it was pervasive it should have had the protection of a utility due to its critical in operating within a society.. the second it lost popularity and was no longer pervasive that doesnt mean it never deserved the protectiona s a utility, only that it should loose that protection but was still valid at the time.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@sergeant As far as I know, no one was offended.. but yea the fediverse can be a bit sensative sometimes and blow things up.

@Moira That would be what I hope most people block for...

@Pjcoyle

Not really the same thing at all.. you may think its ok, but it is a very different beast to block on behalf of a bunch of people forcibly, vs someone choosing to block as an individual... very different things... but being different you can still feel they are both rights... and I dont disagree with you... but only for small social media networks. for large ones they begin to resemble utilities/commons and at which point should start to fall under those protections.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@LouisIngenthron

To me the issue isnt company vs not-company... it makes no difference is facebook is run by a person or a company really..

To me the line is once the means of communication becomes pervasivce enough that it is an important component in communities and communication.

Facebook is so pervasive that you can almost garuntee to find everyone on there and the vast majority are active. Meaning it is important to communication and interaction in a way thatI feel it resembles phone lines and internet lines at that point.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@Pjcoyle

I dont think anyone is disagreeing with you having the right to block things personally... The issue here is if a large social media network (or maybe even has a small one) has the right to block someone fromt he whole system.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@ar Well in this hypothetical you have no idea if this individual respects scientific fact or human rights... the poll is about if all you know is they are a republican.

And for the record im not prorepublicanism, i lean left of center for sure... But not for nothing Biden literally started his career being pro-segregation. He only changed his stance when it effected his vote decades later and now panders to the democrats without **ever** appologizing or showing remorse or wrong doing in his pro-segregation stance.

So if I were to judge people the way you do (and I dont) then the democrats and republicans both look plenty worth blocking on sight.

@eberhofer

No one is arguing whether Obama did well or not during his time in office. So I really wont even address the first part as it has no relevancy.

Trumps policies, as I already showed from the govt published data, had equivelant loss of work hours (and pay) as the USA, so while Trump certainly did a poor job handling the pandemic in many ways, plain and simple unemployment absolutely wasnt one them as the data very clearly shows.

Not to mention we know why... I get thatyyou want to hate Trump so much that you must blame 100% of bad metrics on him and 100% of good metrics on obama, but the reality is always more nuanced.

We know quite well, and its obvious basedon the nature of QE what its effects are.. QE results in a huge spike in employment rate, and the value of companies spike,a nd even economies recover very quickly int he short term.. this is why anyone would ever bother with QE at all... We also know the long term result of QE is massive inflation rates over long periods of time and ultimately a loss of the value accumulated in the short term.

Well thats what we saw, exactly what QE does, and it **is** trumps fault.. we saw the hugely accelerated spike in employment rates (record breaking even!) and no this isnt from obama who had at best a moderate employment rate increase, the rate was much much higher after trump initiated QE than obama ever reached. Also as expected we now see the tell tale long term inflation spike we are struggling to deal with.

Yea trump is to blame for the unemployment rate, it was a record, but its hardly a good thing he did...

@DeanObeidallah

@jonty And what if someone else does the same thing from s3? I suspect it means both people can control the account?

@eberhofer @DeanObeidallah

> The chart shows a huge loss of employment during COVID-19, which isn't seen in Europe at all (not even close).

No there was a huge emploiyment recession in europe but because of laws instead of people getting fired they just lost hours... The mean hours worked per week per person in the EU dropped by an enourmous 18 hours during the economic shut down... very much in line with the unemployment rate in the USA, or at least when represented in hours lost. (see attached)

> And this is entirely due to (1) Trump's destructive policies prior to the arrival of COVID-19 combined with (2) the, shall we say, haphazard approach to the pandemic.

Wrong, as demonstrated the hit to people actually working in the workforce was approximately the same between europe and the USA.

> And I agree with you: Trump's unprecedented efforts to influence the fed and solve things with QE, which Biden doesn't even seem to dream of, makes his record even worse. Trying to cover up policy blunders by stoking inflation.

Trumps record is horrific to anyone looking at the big picture for sure... but there is **no** doubt the unemployment rate was largely thanks to his decisions, its just that he caused a LOT of harm to get what is effectively a temporary and artificial unemployment rate... it may be real, he may have caused it, and it was even record breaking, all true and he gets the credit, but it was NOT a good thing when you consider how he got it and the long-term effects of what he did.

@futurebird oh geeze what did I miss, who got lynched/hung?

@freepeoplesfreepress I appreciate your stance, but I dont think its quite that straight forward, nor should one's stance be.

For starters I think there is a place for suspending on politicial views, but it is very much a niche edge case. If I ran an instance specifically for democrats I would see no real issue with them not allowing republicans to join their instance. In the case of federation though I wouldnt say its appropriate to defederate based on those terms in most cases unless the instance really is trying to create a bubble, but i cant see a good reason to do that at a federation level really.

The more interesting stance of yours is if social media should be allowed to kick people off of their computers... that just seems unworkable at almost every level. I would tend to agree with this once a social media network reaches a certain size where it is pervasive.. it almost resembles a public utility at a certain point, at which point I might be willing toa gree with you there.