🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

New diet plan: I can eat anything I want. The only rule is whatever I eat has to be covered in a generous amount of ghost pepper... the rest will sort itself out.

@lupyuen Isnt this the stuff used in over the counter asthema inhalers (not that i see them that often anymore)?

@BigMcLargeHuge Damn I didnt know you were so old you existed before history itself. Impressive.

@LouisIngenthron

First, why not, thats how every product sold on this planet (more or less) has been sold since forever.

Second you are ignoring the fact that your approach literally doesnt work, whereas the approach of charging per-seat does.

Thirdly, It doesnt (depend on your volume of sales). It depends on **Unity's** volume of sales, which you happen to be reselling to your own clients.

Not sure why you think that just because you paid to use a library you now have the right to let other people also use that library for free. You dont get royalty rights of redistribution, if you did it wouldnt make sense, and generally thats not how products even work.

Like literally think of any other software component that is sold at a fee.. they almost all work this way. If i buy a license to use oracle it doesnt mean that every business who uses my product now gets free oracle servers just because I, as the developer, paid to be allowed to use oracle servers during my development.

@LouisIngenthron

> It's not free. They already charge a subscription.

Never said it was free. In fact my whole point is that its not.

> But more importantly, there are already established ways to do this better, like a straight revenue cut percentage. That doesn't unfairly punish developers for offering games to charity or selling their game at a lower price.

Not sure why the price of my product should depend on the price of yours. If I sell premium high quality silk cloth, should I let you have it for free simply because you create shitty clothes that no one wants to buy so you give them away?

Not only can I not see the logic in pricing my product based on yours, but how would it even work? All I see as the library owner (assuming i bake it into the library) is who installs it. I have no way to verify or no what, if any, the price was you sold it for. Am I just supposed to trust you will tell me?

I dunno I mean i see where your coming from in trying to encourage developers to get on board. But I just cant see how your approach can actually be implemented in any reasonable way.

@LouisIngenthron

Even if they are given away for free, Unity isnt open-source. It costs if you want to use it. You cant give away something for free that you built if you are using a component that costs money. Its not like just cause you decided to give it away for free that anything i based my work on needs to waive their fees or something.

The truth is, there is good reason not to use Unity. Because it is a library that isnt open-source. That alone is a good reason and always has been. But for me it doesnt make much sense to complain that a for-profit product actually requires users of that product to pay.

@LouisIngenthron Thinking about this it kinda makes sense. It isnt Unity's responsibility to handle anti-piracy, thats the developers job. It is the developers responsibility to write their code in a way that has effective anti-piracy measures in it.

@floppy

So now that I know your needs a bit better here is my 2 cents

1) If you want to roll everything yourself, go for it. You dont need a good reason. But building off of existing tech is going to save you a lot of time and probably give you a more capable result.

2) I'd suggest text based formats that render as an image rather than a GUI. This way the "source" is the output already and if you want the output to be closer to JSON then all you do is write a simple script to convert from one to the other

2a) By doing the above you can leverage GIT along side your diagram/graph versions and actually look at (and understand) diffs.

3) If you really need a GUI, those do exist, and plenty of them are web based (like diagrams.io), though i cant think of one that is web based, open source, and fills all your needs while being a purely point and click interface (no text editing.

Anyway, as to the above. I highly recommend something like Mermaid, plantUML or kroki.

HEre is the web UI for kroki to generate diagrams of any kind:

https://kroki.io/

Choose any one of the many diagram types that support graphs (there are a few) and you should have most of what you need.

Of course if you need #3 then closest I know of is diagrams.io and similar tools. But wont quite get you there either.

@floppy Awesome. So as for editing graphs (something im intimately familiar with as everything i deal with is based on graph theory)... So is this just for visual purposes, that you want to visualize a graph data structure. Or are you talking about some sort of GUI editor that spits it out as source code so you can use graph structures in code?

If your just trying to visually edit graphs thats easy there are tons of options. I can think of a few that meet your criteria as well.. but what do you mean "switch between nodes".. what are you "switching"?

@wintermute_oregon @breadsmasher

I agree with this. The problem is, so are the republicans.

@floppy When you say "graph editor" what do you mean.. graph as in a plot, or a graph as in vertex and edges as a data structure?

@lonelyowl

Any diet, vegan or otherwise, that is too restrictive, especially over long periods, will give you troubles in some sense. Buckwheat and macaroons will get you feeling sick a lot quicker than a nice variety of leafy greens. Though a nice diet of leafy greens AND meat is going to be healthier still.

@matthewjones