🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@lxo I always sit int he front row, and its usually first class. Im the one waiting next to the pilot telling jokes and helping them open the door :)

@Moon

I tell you what, toss me 20$ and i promise ill stop watching you.

@Zettour @lonelyowl

@splitshockvirus Yea that would definitely be option #1 on the poll then :)

@bauglir oh shit, thats a hit!

@Zettour

indeed

@Moon @lonelyowl

@splitshockvirus Im not sure which of the options that would fall under then.... hmmm Id say the first one :)

@Moon

Yea and thats why i agree, its a poorly framed argument even if it may hint at some valid truths in there while it does.

@lonelyowl

@lowqualityfacts Another interesting fact few people know... Albania is named after Weird Al Yanchovich.

Why did you join the Fediverse?

@lonelyowl

I have this funny idea that if arguments should be smart, correct AND help us get rid of survellance... in fact id argue they **need** to be smart and correct if they are to help us get rid of it.

@Moon

@Moon

It probably isnt the best of arguments, but I dont think its as bad as you do.. like #1 I agree on (and partly why its a bad argument).. #2 obviously using that particular case is questionable at best, and the mother was in the wrong. But I think saying it has nothing to do with abortion is not entierly fair. It is related to abortion int he sense that it never would have happened if abortions were legal. So clearly there is some relationship there. #3 is half valid... like year they do, but no need to make it easier.

@lonelyowl

@Gina Hi, just realized I havent checked in a while. Wanted to see how you are doing. Hope all is well.

@Moon

Wait, what exactly do people use "women won't be able to keep abortion plans secret from the government" to aruge?

@lonelyowl

@futurebird the man cant even cause an apocalypse correctly!

@lonelyowl

yea that is kinda what i assumed going in, that while thinking with your wallet rather than human rights is **not** very practical I could see how people might have an unhealthy relationship with what we see as practical and it may be considered "pragmatic" to think with your wallet rather than in terms of human rights.. but as i said i would find the opposite to be more pragmatic in reality.

@Moon

@Moon ahhh I see.. that doesnt sound like a very pragmatic approach to me. But I understand now.

@Moon I think there was a typo in your post, or i misunderstood...

Isnt this:

> human decency recognizes the absolute right of people to have private conversations without government eavesdropping.

An example of this

> rights organizations making pragmatic appeals against internet surveillance