🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@TheGreatLlama

So a lot to unroll here....

> Perhaps you should reread what he initially posted and what you initially posted. He never said that covid levels were *unaffected*. Nothing of the sort in fact.

Yes you are right, his wording was something more like, the levels are the same as before the mandate (since he blocked me I cant actually see the original wording).

> Knowing that Beta well enough to know his intent, I read your post as antivax/antimask/anti-lockdown

Why are you trying to divine someones intent rather than trying to figure out which facts are accurate and thus enable us to address problems? I dont know what his intent is, but it doesnt matter, he lied and that lie is harmful, he was called out for that lie.

If his intent was as you say, his response would be "oh my bad, let me correct this information so i dont hurt people"... I dont care if his intent is good, if it leads him to hurt people its not right.

As for reading my post as anti-* I can get that, my post was (obviously, as can see by the thread) sarcasm and mocking him for his very harmful "fact" and showing how and why that is harmful. Sadly sarcasm doesnt always translate well on the internet. But thankfully my responses make it quite clear im not anti-vax and just mocking him. So even if he or you made that mistake early on, not a big deal since I explicitly clarify it later anyway.

So whats the problem, as long as you are engaging people honestly with the facts on hand, and not trying to read their mind to gather intent, then that misunderstanding doesnt seem like a huge problem int he end.

> If it's still unclear, his point was that current infection rates are spiking and it would be good to take the kind of precautions you were early on.

If that is what he wanted to say, despite the fact that he said something different, then once the error in his original post was pointed out why didnt he correct his wording to me more clear rather than doubling downa nd attacking someone for being called out on claiming harmful information?

Saying rates are spiking is fair and worth mentioning... But trying to say its at the level it was before th4e mandates is a harmful lie, especially when the levels now are not even close to those levels (in some of the worst places its still 1/2 the rate, and in places like the usa its much smaller, at least 1/10th the rate or less depending on which data you go by).

Saying rates are going up is good, saying rates are exactly the same as pre-vaccine pre-mandate, that is no ok, regardless of intent it is a lie, it is harmful, full stop. Anyone who cared would have corrected their wording.

> If you want to argue more specifically than that, maybe go find someone who actually is doing covid denial to fight with.

I had no desire to "fight" with anyone. My original post didnt attack him, it addressed the content. He came back with personal insults and a fight rather than a discussion, or **any** willingness to listen to why they are causing harm or any willingness to do less harm.

The problem is exactly what you pointed out earlier.. his goal is not and never was to help the COVID community, thats just his mask. He is here to insult people and start shit and just is looking for a way to justify that as morally right.

This is obvious because both him and you were more concerned with "whose side is this guy really on" rather than "Are the things i am saying helpful and correct, are the things he is saying factually correct"? When people deal with the person rather than the substance of an argument, then you probably never had any intent to care about the substance of the topic to begin with, you came here just to white knight and let of some steam.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@Darkayne Yea it seems to be very random, the strain matters a bit but its mostly just random by the looks of it.

I have never felt any more than a little tired. Was maybe as bad as a mild cold, different symptoms, but same sevarity. That was the WORST, the vast majority of times i was positive I had no symptoms at all.

@gpowerf Thank you

Just got back from a camping trip and one of our gang tested positive for COVID...

Looks like this will be the 8th time i catch covid... we will see in a day or two. Lets hope this 8th round is as mild as the 7 before it.

@TheGreatLlama

I am not saying the point of the post was to discourage people from vaccinating... I am sure he decided to make up that lie about the levels being uneffected by mandates cause he thought he was being clever.

But the truth is regardless of what he intended to say, the fact is he lied, and that lie is one that is extremely harmful to getting people vaccinated or addressing the issue of COVID.

People spouting nonsense about levels being uneffected by 2 years of vaccine and mandates is NOT what people need to hear right now regardless of how well intentioned such a lie may be.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@mike805

That is a valid concern. Obviously if they had more sane policities on other things then they would have more success with their more reasonable policies like gun rights.

@mike805

> It is too bad that in the USA, expansive gun rights are often tied to Taliban attitudes toward women,

I have actually never heard these two associated in that way.

@TruthSandwich

Cheese curds are one of my favorites!

@lowqualityfacts

@bonifartius

I dont expect sane thoughts from any human on the internet, and not too many of them in person either.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@TruthSandwich

There is a little piece of Canada in all of us.

@lowqualityfacts

@jgg

but the rules arent changing, and there is nothing to stabalize... Virtually everyone is claiming is new gender language rules have been part of this language for many hundreds of years.

The only thing you can honestly say is new is "Xir" and other exotic pronouns... but those are mostly a joke and certainly isnt adopted on anywhere near the level to constitute a change in english rules .

@lonelyowl @Amikke

@TheGreatLlama

The point is, he is wrong.. the vaccines and mandates DID help. If it werent for them COVID levels would be much higher, and no, they arent at the same levels as before the vaccine.

Claiming the COVID levels are uneffected by the mandates and vaccine and after years of it we are exactly at the same levels as before is 1) anti-vaxx covid misinformation and 2) extremely harmful nonsense.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@JakeQuokkaMCM

Wait what, that was **MY POINT** did you not even read the whole thread or my image post?

He claimed cogvid-19 right now is exactly the same as before vaccines.... I was mocking that anti-vax nonsense. Obviously (as you point out) the levels are FAR less than they would be if people werent vaccinated. Yet he is claiming its exactly the same as pre-mandates... which is just wrong.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@lonelyowl

it is sometimes taught as the gender neutral for gendered things with unknown gender, but this is simply wrong. Some sources will tell you to use "he" or "it" some will give you the correct advice.

@Amikke @jgg

@SocialistStan@mymastadon.link

Never claimed I was... but this anti-vax nonsense about there being no change in COVID levels after the vaccine and mandates is some anti-vax nonsense and deserves to be called out. Not sure how that makes me "special"

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@SocialistStan@mymastadon.link

When did I say I was too smart for democracy... as the post clearly states I refering to "the smartest people" and not myself.

So what idiocy is this, I never once claimed I was one of the smartest people.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@lonelyowl

You dont call them it, that wouldnt be proper english.

The rules in english are is something has gender, but you dont know which gender it is, then you are to use he which is gender neutral. You may also use "they" which has been valid from before modern times too.

We do the same with humans, if you talk about a person but dont know their gender, you should default to a gender neutral "he" or if you prefer to be more explicit "they".

This has always been the english grammar rules.

@Amikke @jgg

@jgg

Why is it more of a pain in modern time? We have gender-neutral pronouns that we can use whenever the gender ones dont provide a utility... Thats how it always worked... not sure why modern times is any different.

@Amikke

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

You are.

The fact that you are trying to discredit a published COVID research scientist who has spent the last two years developing COVID diagnostic tests and promoting vaccination and research on cures I think says it all.

The fact that you lied about it and posted something out of context (anyone reading this see the context screenshot below), kinda proves your anti-vax mentality... especially because your doing it in retaliation to being called out on an anti-vax post.

@Amikke

By the way the act of calling something "he" or "she" when the correct pronoun is "it" is so special and out of the ordinary in english that when someone applies it, say to a ship by saying "she", this is called "personification". It is done to show a closeness or respect to the object. It is never proper english and can be done with any objects. Its just very common among sailors because their life is so closely dependent on the ship keeping them safe.

@jgg