🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@Elleaster

some guns kill people in the same way some spoons make people fat.

@ErikUden

@sdgathman

Fair enough :)

@pyranose @Free_Idealist @JonKramer @georgetakei

@sdgathman

Even if you do man an argument to an upper limit on temperature it is missing the point of the question... we are talking about representing a single-bounded variable with a double bounded range lineraly... that isnt possible. Arguing that temperature is in reality double bounded, while true, was not the point of the question.

@pyranose @Free_Idealist @JonKramer @georgetakei

@JonKramer

Actually this and my other comment was a bit too harsh, sorry about that. I shouldnt have been quite so aggressive in the personal attack, even if you were acting in bad-faith, i escalated. So sorry.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@stux godspeed

@DemDifference

Using a linear scale to represent a non-linear quantity... shame on you.

@robryk

no its still about boundedness, that just address the leftmost aspect but its actually more complicated than just that (jon was struggling with the basics so i didnt want to make it this technical)...

So take your example... how would you map an unbounded variable like altitutde to your (0,1) interval... even though you removed the idea of a "left most" the mapping still cant occur linearly.

@JonKramer @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer pretty sure you meant this as a reply somewhere int he thread.

@JonKramer

"Hot as hell" is not a value anywhere on the celsius scale... so either your a moron, or intellectually dishonest... but you know what was asked of you and instead of nswering honestly you have some sort of mental issue where you just cant and instead need to manipulate the conversation to make it sound like you are right when it sounds bat shit loony toons to literally anyone listening to your answers.... and im pretty sure you know it because thats a level of dumb that just doesnt exist while still capable of having a discussion...

Ive lost a lot of respect for you in this conversation.. not the early parts where you disagree, but right now where you are clearly acting in bad faith.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

No you literally failed to do it. You tried to misrepresent the original question (a temperature that is bounded on one side at 0 and goes to infinity) and instead were manipulative and dishonest and tried to change the change and the axiom just so you could find a way to make it **look** like you answered it even though you didnt address the actual question at all.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

> 0 would be zero atomic/molecular/KE vibration, 100 would be vibrations at the speed of light?

first off....

Temperature isnt limited by speed of light limitations in the physical world... temperature keeps increasing but is represented by exotic pair production rather than increases in speed (remember temperature is not limited to the speed of molecules, it exists even when there are no molcules to speak of in the form of IR).

You are proving my point... you are trying to make some fictional "maximum temperature" so you can fit it into your broken 0-100... but we are talking about temperature as a value that is bound on one end (the low end) and unbound on the other... so your being dishonest, again, and trying to cheat.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

> I can come up with a new scale, and call it the Kramer scale. It ranges from ‘as cold as a witch’s tit to hot as hell, in increments of 3.14.

Ok so in this scale (which actually no you cant do) that is 0 (coldest) to 100 (hottest) and apparently only moves in multiples of 3.14 .... the Krammer scale... lets go with this.

In this scale, if you have a 100 krammer temperature, what temperature would that be on the celsius scale? Lets assume whatever temperature that is happens to be some value X on the celsius scale... Now the important follow up... if you have a celsius temperature of X+10, what would that be in the krammer scale? Oh look, its impossible to answer that because your scale is **impossible** at actually quantifying temperature... funny that.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer |

> If you don’t use Kelvin, you are WRONG and don’t know how scales work!!! Also, only 24 hour clocks are acceptable, and only sidereal time!

Again this shows you dont even understand what is being said, yet insist on disagreeing with it.

Kelvin, celcius, and fairnheit are all the same dimensional scales, so they are interchangeable and arbitrary. It doesnt matter.

However you do prove my point because like your other non-sensical example, kelvin cant be represented as 0-100 either, because 0-100 is double bounded and kelvin is single bounded...

Go ahead, try to explain how you could represent temperature on a scale of 0-100.. ill wait.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

Exactly its not possible and you are incapable.. but your so stubborn instead of admitting you are clueless your gonna pretend that now that you have to prove yourself you dont care and walk away...

Pretty transparent at this point your either intellectually dishonest or arguing in bad faith... not sure which.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

If scales dont matter, im going to sit here and wait patiently while you try to explain to me how you'd represent a value like altitude (same dimensional as left-right) on a scale of 0-100

I'll wait...

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

Which proves you completely dont understand how scales work.

It is the dimensionality of the number that matters. It just so happens you **must** use different types of scales to represent different dimensionalities. Thats a fundemental fact of numbers.

They are functional, practically and fundementally different. One is literally impossible to represent the idea, the other isnt.

I mean for example, which ideology do you place at 0 (the most left end of the scale)? Whatever ideology that is, how woudl you then represent a different ideology that is more left wing than whatever you attached at 0... you couldnt, because your on a bounded scale not an unbounded.

Moreover, where on your scale would you put a party or person that is neither left nor right, 50? I have 50 of what? Nothing? The inflection point itself is less of an issue, the bounding of the scale is.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

> A gestalt. 1 being far left principles, 100 being far right. If you want more info:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#:~:text=Generally%2C%20the%20left%20wing%20is,tradition%2C%20reaction%20and%20nationalism%22.

Your response is non-sensical. You are telling me you are measuring two properties, left-principles vs right principles, and using a one dimensional value to represent a two dimensional idea... that makes no sense.

Take altitude from my earlier example (which is a value of the same dimensions as left-right)... how would you represent that on a 0-100 scale... you cant, like its literally impossible. This is true for the exact same reasons its completely nonsensical to use 0-100 to represent left-right.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei