🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@Properganda

Nope not that either... but i see now your trolling so gonna stop caring about responding to you.

@mike805

@realcaseyrollins

Actually wait.. i may have an anlysis in my physical library somewhere... i think i remember having something... let me look one sec... I might know where it is.

@realcaseyrollins ill see if i can find an article that has a write up on that... i dont have that in my library anywhere but the internet might have something.

@realcaseyrollins you want a copy to read? I should have it in my collection somewhere, I collect and read anctient versions of religious texts

@realcaseyrollins

The hamas would love to build proper military structures and work out of that... you really think israel will let them? So instead they work out of their home as an underground... using that and trying to make it sound like the hamas are using them as human shields isnt accurate... i mean the hamas **do** sometimes use human shields, and thats not right.. but depicting them working as an underground in doing so isnt fair at all.. especially when israli IDF is literally using children as human shields, as in, put them in from of them when someone is about to shoot them.

@LouisIngenthron

@realcaseyrollins The book of Samuel, the non-monarchical version (the earlier version)

@mapto @mike805

ethnicity gets hairy, very hairy.. youd have an even harder time making that argument, especially with clearly defined borders from so long ago

@Properganda @mike805

No one is claiming the temple mount or other structures dont exist.... That doesnt make those structures part of a kingdom of israel however.

@olabreche On that I agree, even if they did exist 3000 years ago (you were short by 1000)... so yea agreed.

My point is simply even if you do think that argument as merit, it is still a lie.

@ashmueli

Well I guess you know better than the scholars who are experts on this... ill stick with the actual scholars and experts... That said if you care to actually provide the evidence rather than just attacks I will be happy to listen.

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins

I mean where do you want to start.. im not sure "damning" is the right word... like some stuff is very obviously factually wrong, but many things for different reasons.. some is just lack of knowledge (like the stuff about what space is)... other stuff is due to the fact that the bible was oral tradition and then became written and even changed drastically when written

As long as we are treating the bible as a historical account in **some** sense (for borders)... how do you account for the fact that earlier copies said something totally different? The book of Samuel is where the kingdom of Israel is described and the rise of King Saul/Samuel.. thats the modern day version. The earlier version of this text had Samuel **denying** becoming king and no kingdom of israel was founded int he earlier version of the text (we call these the non-monarchial versions).. they were the earlier versions so historically written earlier and closer to the time period.

How do you explain the fact that the earlier text of the bible specifically claims no Israel was formed at all?

@mike805 There has never been compelling proof of a large scale anctient kingdom of israel.

@realcaseyrollins Not sure what you mean, there are literally thousands of objectively provable inaccuracies in the bible. The fact that sometimes the bible will say something that is true like "The city of england existed" (not actually in the bible just an absurd example) doesnt make the rest of it real.... most of what it gets right are the big things in history that any schmuck would know 100 years past... so yea there will be some things that line up.. but since it is written by people many hundreds of years after the events that they are written about you get like 5% accurate and 95% nonsense.. cause sure **some** things will be preserved and accurate but the vast majority gets distorted.

And like i said this is objectively verifiable, you can get entire books as big as the bible where all they do is list the inaccuracies int he bible.

Another interesting fact about #Israel ... There is no historical evidence that a kingdom of Israel in anctient times **ever** actually existed. In fact most non-religious scholars feel that it either didnt exist or at the very least the writings about it were first written long long after it may have existed. This is evident because of countless anachronisms that we know couldnt be historically accurate (as they didnt exist yet for the time period)... so scholars have been able to reasonably conclude the account in the bible was in all likelihood made up at a later time.

In short, #Israel 's entire claim of it being an "ancient ancestral land" is based entirely on the bible and not accepted as historical fact by historians...

Yet again people kill for their gods, gods who tell them the first rule is not to kill.

@realcaseyrollins

I mean if you want to agree with the bible as a word for word facual account (which means you think the whole world is just a few thousand years old).. and you do so bath on faith in the book (rather than historical or scientific process)... then .. well.. i cant argue with you because it isnt a stance based on logic, its one based on authority... treating the bible as an axiom... so i cant do anything with that even if i had undeniable proof (which i dont).

That said, regardless of what you **beleive** and your **opinions** as I said, I stand strongly by the fact that we shouldnt be starting or condoning wars based on what the bible says history was, without any other credible sources to back that up.