🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@bonifartius Depends on what part your on... I think that is somewhat unique to QOTO and a few good servers.. but it isnt representative of the whole.

@Trilobyter Ahh thanks. Looks lovely then fromt he artistic side!

@cjd

> In that case the speech not the crime at all, but is part of the act of committing a crime. The classical example of this is fraud.

Which is exactly what I just argued... freedom of speech is always allowed, its just sometimes the **Consequences** of that speech is illegal.

As I already stated as an example libel/slander makes the consequences of free speech illegal, the speech itself is legal (as in if someone uttered the same speech in a different context it very well may be legal even if it is still a lie about someone, because the actual result of the actions are what matter).

@deavmi @jeff @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@jeff

We dont have free trade based on either of our choices of definition.. we generally have trade that is overregulated in most cases, and in a few isolated cases may be underregulated as well... but either case what we have now does not resemble free trade.

@deavmi @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@trinsec ugh... yea...

@waltercool

::Starts undressing::

Did it work? It worked right?

@mur2501 I wouldnt link it no... I would copy it to our server and link to it on our own domain. This way they cant paywall it or cut off access (which they cant legally do once they open source it)

@mur2501 Ok then he cant paywall it.. as long as you keep the CC license attached to his work, AND you use the same license on any derrivative works then you are free to share it and legally bypass his paywall.. he is allowed to charge, but you are allowed to give away for free.

@AncientGood Looks like your gonna learn spanish REAL fucking fast now!

@mur2501 does it specify which CC license specifically?

@Trilobyter Why does the apparent size change so drastically? Editing or some sort of lensing effect?

@cjd

> But if you say something and then by some legal mechanism the government attacks you, then you were not exercising your freedom of speech, that freedom does not actually exist.

Yea, no...

If i say "Here is 100$ go murder Bill".. it is absurd in my opinion to say that simply because that speech was necessary to initiate the events that being arrested for hiring a hitman is a violation of free speech.

No, the speech itself isnt illegal, the consequences (known) of that speech is. That doesn't eliminate free speech or make it less free.

@deavmi @jeff @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@mur2501 You wont be able to directly copy content unless he has released it to the public domain or under an open source license...

However if he did either in the past, and LATER paywalled it you can still use the earlier version freely.

@cjd

Yes words do mean things, and here my words were choosen carefully.

The limitations on free speech are not direct.. you have the freedom to say the things you say.. but you also hold the risk of the effects.. It is the effects, and your intent around it, not the speech itself. But it effectively limits speech indirectly.

For example if i engage in slander/libel, but there is no actual harm that comes of it, my freedom of speech had no ill effects and i was legal allowed to say the slander/libel I said, since it is only illegal should there be harm caused.

However if harm caused you can be held guilty and sued. However it is not the speech itself that is illegal, but rather the consequences of that speech and knowing engaging to create those consequences.

So yes free speech there is legal, but the consequences are not. That is still freedom of speech, its just not freedom to cause intentional harm through deceit. One freedom ends where another begins.

@deavmi @jeff @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

Virtually all freedoms have limitatiosn where it infringes on other freedoms..

You have the freedom to self determination. That doesnt mean you can self-determine you will be a murderer because that infringes on other peoples rights..

Rights with well defined limits are still rights, and still imply freedom. Freedom does not suggest there are no limits to that freedom.

@deavmi @jeff @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@nealcurtis PRobably right around the time we became a consumer-oriented society... debt is how we show someone we love them :)

@mur2501 Please feel free to get your feet wet by submitting pull requests on the documentation itself.

As many of you know by now I've been working on the #Fedipage project the past few days.

https://fedipage.com

One thing I dont like however is right now it locks you into Vercel as your deployment. However our dependence on it is rather minimal as we use it only to cover the serverless functions needed as well as some simple routing.

My fear is many may not be able to afford vercel or may not like them as an option. Does anyone know of a cheaper more FLOSS/privavcy oriented option that makes it easy to deploy typescript/java based serverless functions?

If I can find a good alternative I'd love to adapt the project to support Vercel alternatives.

#ActivityPub #Fediverse #Floss #FOSS #OSS #Hosting #Programming #Hugo