🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@thor I think its a lot easier to understand than people realize.. though that isnt to say its an easy topic.

@GRA3432 @realcaseyrollins

And what did they do with the people living there? Were they allowed to stay on their land?

@realcaseyrollins My guess would be that when the Iralis used your brother or cousin or whoever as a human shield your desire to attack your own people woule fade very very quickly. After 80 years of them killing your family and commiting terrorist acts against your people you would just have a different view I am sure.

@realcaseyrollins

Not always but yea that did happen... probably a bit better than genocide.. but not sure why we are comparing to barbaric practices from anctient history compared to modern warfare..

@lnxw37b2

@xdydx

You may have missed it but later int he thread he said he was wrong about the equivalence.

Gotta give him credit for reconsidering his opinion.

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins Well no that approach can be one or two state.

In a two state solution israel only acts as a transitional govt. The goal being to install a good democratic non-terroristic govt then leave and allow them to self-govern once they can be trusted (it is likely a long process)... so int he end it can result in two separate states.

@realcaseyrollins Yes, if they did that from the get go they might have a leg to stand on as the good guy.

@realcaseyrollins hahaha what can I say, its a gift :)

@realcaseyrollins That makes me feel a bit better :)

@realcaseyrollins

Why you cant displace an entire population by telling the native people of a country to get the hell off the land?

Ummm... you do understand the most basic rule of war is you dont wage war against civilians right? like its way more basic thant he geneva convention buddy.

@realcaseyrollins

I am shocked you dont see the difference between moving in and taking over the government with a transitional occupation, vs literally kicking everyone who lived ont he land off of it and moving in your own people and taking the land for yourself to **live** on.

@realcaseyrollins No thats exactly true...

west and east germany was divided wwhile it was **occupied**.. while the govt were replaced and then given back to the people

At no point did we kick the germans off of their land and move in.. it was **occupied** not taken

@realcaseyrollins

Are you seriously sitting here and trying to say the soviets took germany for themselves and moved in?

This is exactly my point.. they **temporarily** occupied the land, they didnt kick the germans off of it and take it.. they let the germans stay, they moved in and controlled their governments temporarily until the government could be safely replaced and there was no fear of a repeat.. which they did.

You do realize germany today is all germans, because... and wait for it... they were never kicked out off their land and replaced by the victors....

@realcaseyrollins

> Surprising take TBH. Countries who win wars aren’t allowed to conquer the land? The #UN didn’t take any land from #Egypt? 🤔

The UN isnt a country, what are you on about they dont own **any** land.

> The #Israel vs. #Palestine war is the first time I’ve ever heard people say “no fair, you stole our land after we lost a war with you”. Like, I’m a lil surprised at what people think war is exactly.

What? What modern war do you know of where land was taken and people were ok with it?

Russia annexing georgia and people lost their shit.

Russia trying to annex Ukrain, people are upset.

WWII Germany kept 100% of their territory

Iraq war, Afghan war, 100% of territory kept by loosing sides.

Honestly what war can you even think of where someone took land fromt he other side **permanently** and people didnt loose their shit? I cant think of a single one.

@realcaseyrollins

When did I ever say that there wasnt a war (the war has been ongoing for 80 years) or that the hamas terrorism was justified? It is no more or less justified than the Israel gov't terrorism/genocide.. both side are int he wrong and I've stated as much many times.

@realcaseyrollins What nonsense are you on... No one in modern warfar has ever justified the taking of someone elses land.

In WWII the worst offender in terms of aggression in history, at least modern history, were the germans... completely unprovoked as well... They didnt loose **any** land. Why? Because most decent human beings see taking land in war as unethical.