🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@thor yea, pretty much :(

@thor The irony is those ideas seem just as popular among the israelis, just with the arabs being the ones who are treated as subhuman.

Its this very mentality on **both** sides that is the issue.

@marynelson8

Ok I read it.

Yes I agree it 100% agrees with what I just said.

@marynelson8 It has less to do with age and more to do with senility... Biden shows obvious and visible signs of senility compared to his younger self. Even his supporters have trouble denying this.

Trump is the same idiot he has always been. While its hard to have mental decline when your as stupid as he is from the get go Trump doesnt really show signs of age based senility.

@skaly Lovely piece, nice work.

@georgetakei Polls dont rely on phone calls as much as people think.. But you are right polls are not the best system for data analysis.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Agreed. But as someone else pointed out there is far more to it than just "teaching a kid violence instead of words is ok"... we are talking about children who are emotionally very sensative and often quite scared and need the security and protection of a parent to a reasonable degree.

To have the one person you are programmed to trust and look to for safety being the one beating you is a god awful psychological expiernce for a child. It can, and usually will, break a child and give them life long distrust of their parents. This not only has massive psychological issues but it also makes the parent less effective as teaching the child.. this loss of control over the childs trust, and the subsequent lack of any positive results when trying to parent, will lead to just more hitting and abuse out of frustration.

@dashrandom

@wjmaggos Ahh ok that is very different than what I was thinking, which was an **open** forum.. where anyone can speak. I'd act to keep some semblance of order, but it would largely be open to anyone to speak.

@dashrandom

> what if beating kids prevents them from doing things that will cause them even greater harm in future?

What if unicorns shat rainbows? It doesnt, so the what if regarding something that isnt true doesnt mean much.

> As far as I know, most parents don't beat their kids out of anger but rather to discipline them.

Thats just a lie they tell themselves so they can justify their beatings. And even if it were true it wouldnt make the beatings any less abhorrent.

When parents beat their kids "out of disciplin" what they are really saying is they beating them out of frustration and anger that their kids arent listening, nothing more. They just need to pretend they are doing it for altrusitic reasons. Even most murderers need to find an excuse for what they do and usually find a way to excuse it as a greater good... it isnt.

> If that discipline prevents even greater self destructive behaviour in future

It doesnt, quite the opposite, it creates adults with deep rooted psychological issues who are likely to have all sorts of functioning problems. Worse yet since they are never taught to cope with their issues they likely lack the skills to even address their now underlying issues, or even the self awareness to recognizet he problem. They likely just go on to beat their own children and continue the cycle.

> is it not justified?

Since that doesnt happen this is a moot question.

> Keep in mind that it takes time for children to understand concepts of right and wrong or "this could kill/hurt me or others".

No it doesnt... by the time a kid is able to learn from a beating they are able to reason. Regardless even if this isnt true there are plenty of punishments that dont require you to beat your child.

@dashrandom

Nah, thats just an excuse we tell ourselves.

While one action may be right or wrong given the nuance of the situation for sure, it is not a cultural thing.. What is wrong is that which causes harm and suffering, that is an objective measure even if that suffering may have to some degree cultural components.

For example torturing someone for pleasure is **always** objectively wrong, culture accepting that wont change it, it just make you more naive to doing wrong. No cultural perspectives can change the fact that act is one that causes net suffering.

Same goes back to beating little kids. No amount of cultural acceptance removes the suffering and harm inflicted and thus is objectively and universally wrong regardless of culture.

@daviding

I both love and hate the typography of this page...

@timoreilly

@Savvyhomestead

Except in winter when there wasnt much a person could do your average peasant had like 112+ hours work week... Trust me you are way better off now.