🎓 Dr. Freemo 
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@freemo@social.cleverlibre.org
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Jeffrey Phillips Freeman
Innovator & Entrepreneur in Machine Learning, Evolutionary Computing & Big Data. Avid SCUBA diver, Open-source developer, HAM radio operator, astrophotographer, and anything nerdy.
Born and raised in Philadelphia, PA, USA, currently living in Utrecht, Netherlands, USA, and Thailand. Was also living in Israel, but left.
Pronouns: Sir / Mister
(Above pronouns are not intended to mock, i will respect any persons pronouns and only wish pronouns to show respect be used with me as well. These are called neopronouns, see an example of the word "frog" used as a neopronoun here: http://tinyurl.com/44hhej89 )
A proud member of the Penobscot Native American tribe, as well as a Mayflower passenger descendant. I sometimes post about my genealogical history.
My stance on various issues:
Education: Free to PhD, tax paid
Abortion: Protected, tax paid, limited time-frame
Welfare: Yes, no one should starve
UBI: No, use welfare
Racism: is real
Guns: Shall not be infringed
LGBT+/minorities: Support
Pronouns: Will respect
Trump: Moron, evil
Biden: Senile, racist
Police: ACAB
Drugs: Fully legal, no prescriptions needed
GPG/PGP Fingerprint: 8B23 64CD 2403 6DCB 7531 01D0 052D DA8E 0506 CBCE
Joined Jul 2018
Ok the contract is "we agree not to kill eachother".. pressuming we are talking about someone that is completely incapable of posing any risk to you, what would be your reason to agreeing to enter into such a contract? Would it be wrong for me to reject such a contract? Why am I obligated to agree to such a contract at all?
@robertnorlyn No jargon is fine, sometimes its needed. So we are talking ethics and morality here specifically, not philosophy except so far as it involves those two points.
I do expect a good deal of variation in nuance int he answers...
My supposition was that most people will answer with 1 - 3, basically that the immorality of murder has some link to the human mind, it is the extinguishing of the mind that is immoral, if there is no mind there is no immorality to it.
If a human had its head cut off but somehow was kept alive on life support I cant see any immorality on any level in killing it.
however @realcaseyrollins seemed to think people would likely answer "because its human" which seems to suggest a more metaphysical answer. But I doubted that would be most non-religious peoples reasoning.
@doomsdayrs@mastodon.ml
@manlycoffee Fair.
Me and @realcaseyrollins basically were debating. I thought most people would see murder as wrong because of one of the reasons listed 1 - 3 that deal with thought (things that require a brain in some sense)... he seemed to think it would be #4, thats its just wrong cause its a human (and thus fetuses <10 weeks old and brain dead humans would still be wrong to kill).
@robertnorlyn that just sounds like a round about way of refering to law, or at least our cultural assumptions.. namely that society deems it so.
But thats not what is being asked. I am not asking what society allows, or the law. I am asking why it is **morally** wrong **to you** (if it is).
While ultimately it may define personhood, thats a legal term, and isnt really whats being asked.. im asking when/why its wrong, not when someone has a particular legal status.
@doomsdayrs@mastodon.ml
@manlycoffee Im less concerned with if its a crime, and more concerned with whena nd why it is ethically wrong (if it is)
@robertnorlyn So if i am ok with people trying to kill me, is it ok for me to kill others? I mean, contracts need to be entered into as you say.
@wjmaggos I am ok with anything but #4 myself, that one makes no sense to me.
@LouisIngenthron One thing for sure, its gonna be anything but boring :)
@doomsdayrs@mastodon.ml you mean the pole? I had to delete it to add an option that my friend requested.
@doomsdayrs@mastodon.ml I appreciate that nonsequiter, but this post is not related to capital punishment. In fact what sparked this poll is a discussion about abortion.
What makes murdering morally wrong?
To put it even simpler, I think most people are against killing because they put themselves in the victims shoes, and recognize that the idea of their sense of self, their understanding, their awareness being replaced with annhilation, emptyness, blackness, is scary. They want to be protected from that and by extension wnat to protect others form that.
If a person has no neurons then they are already in blackness, they have no thought or desire, those fears are moot as there is no death of consciousness as consciousness doesnt exist yet. The consciousness is already dead as consciousness needs neurons.
Most non-religious people would say killing is wrong because it violates self-determination, a person has a right to exercise their own will and not be robbed of that. Or at least some variation of that.
If someone doesnt have neurons then they have no will.
When has anyone ever been faced with a human being with no neurons to even ask that question? Only time I can think of is fetuses before 10 weeks old... and most non religious people seem ok with that.
I'm not a supporter of minimum wage laws, it harms the poor... but the rest is legit and things I have experienced, and i have no doubt lower income people deal with it too. Its a universal issue.
- UFoI Member
- http://UFoI.org/u/freemo/
- Website
- http://JeffreyFreeman.me
- Gitlab
- https://git.qoto.org/freemo
Admin
Jeffrey Phillips Freeman
Innovator & Entrepreneur in Machine Learning, Evolutionary Computing & Big Data. Avid SCUBA diver, Open-source developer, HAM radio operator, astrophotographer, and anything nerdy.
Born and raised in Philadelphia, PA, USA, currently living in Utrecht, Netherlands, USA, and Thailand. Was also living in Israel, but left.
Pronouns: Sir / Mister
(Above pronouns are not intended to mock, i will respect any persons pronouns and only wish pronouns to show respect be used with me as well. These are called neopronouns, see an example of the word "frog" used as a neopronoun here: http://tinyurl.com/44hhej89 )
A proud member of the Penobscot Native American tribe, as well as a Mayflower passenger descendant. I sometimes post about my genealogical history.
My stance on various issues:
Education: Free to PhD, tax paid
Abortion: Protected, tax paid, limited time-frame
Welfare: Yes, no one should starve
UBI: No, use welfare
Racism: is real
Guns: Shall not be infringed
LGBT+/minorities: Support
Pronouns: Will respect
Trump: Moron, evil
Biden: Senile, racist
Police: ACAB
Drugs: Fully legal, no prescriptions needed
GPG/PGP Fingerprint: 8B23 64CD 2403 6DCB 7531 01D0 052D DA8E 0506 CBCE
Joined Jul 2018
